Alen13ASC Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Borko said: Jadan Albon. Proci ce kao Gasli. Svaki normalan bi uzeo iskusnog vozača koji bi skupljao uredno poene, no ovako mi se čini da je RB odustao od borbe protiv problematičnog Ferarija. Mnogo bi značilo kad bi RB svrgno Ferarija s P2. Prvo su izgubili Vernja pa sad Kvjata (ne verujem da će na zimu Kvjat preći u RB, a da će Albona svrgnuti). Ovo je ogromna kocka za RB. Inače RBova škola je čista pušiona, jedina dva projekta koja su vredna spomena su Fetl i Ferštapen. Ovi ostali su dobili komplekse kakve niko nema na planeti zemlji. Odvratno do bola. Vernj je najpametnije uradio, prešao u FE i postao prvi dvostruki prvak serije. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 55 minutes ago, Alen13ASC said: Prvo su izgubili Vernja pa sad Kvjata (ne verujem da će na zimu Kvjat preći u RB, a da će Albona svrgnuti). Izgubili su oni mnogo vise njih, Rikarda, Sajnca, Buemija... Ako Albon pregori u RBR nece imati koga da regrutuju iz omladinskog programa da pokrije 4 mesta u F1 bolidima. RBR je totalno toksicna sredina za razvoj mladih vozaca, Marko je totalno uprskao juniorski program gurajuci neke preko reda i prebrzo se odricuci drugih. I sada su naprosto ostali bez dovoljno vozaca sa superlicencama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momohyoideus Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Pa dobro, znalo se da ce Gasli da dobije pedalu iz RB, a mislim da niko nije verovao da ce ga zameniti Kvjat. U tom smislu, potpuno je ocekivano da Albon dobije to mesto. Ja ne vidim kako je to RB juniorski program neuspesan. Nerealno je ocekivati da svi polaznici skole budu sampioni F1; nerealno je cak ocekivati da svi polaznici skole budu dovoljno dobri za F1. Po mom misljenju ko god je dogurao do vodece serije u svojoj disciplini je vec uspeo, a evo vi ste iznad vec nabrojali dosta takvih imena. Dodatno, imaju dosta pobeda u F1, 4 vozacke titule u F1, i plus potencijal da se to nastavi i u buducnosti. RB ima 4 mesta u F1 (dva bolida prvog reda i dva bolida drugog reda), a vi ste vec nabrojali desetak vozaca. 10 ljudi ne moze da se spakuje u 4 bolida pa je logicno da vecina ljudi potrazi uspeh na nekom drugom mestu. Ne vidim sta je Marko mogao da uradi da se to ne desi. Sta je recimo mogao da ponudi Rikardu da ostane pored Maksa koji se ustalio kao No1 vozac u timu? Da mu ponudi prelazak u Toro roso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alen13ASC Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Mislim da RB trenutno igra sigurnu igru. Otpisali su borbu za P2, što znači da će videti kako ćese Albon izboriti pored Maksa. Na zimu RB će birati da li da ostave Albona ili da vrate Kvjata u 2020. godini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 @momohyoideus - RBR nema 10-tak vozaca za 4 bolida, ovi nabrojani su svi izbaceni iz programa i ugovori sa njima su raskinuti. Njihova frka je sada to sto trenutno imaju samo 4 vozaca sa superlicencom za F1, jer su suvise brzo otpisivali nabrojane vozace (VER, BUE...) ili ih cak i aktivno terali iz tima (RIC, SAI...) da naprave mesta za Maksa koji je nesumnjivo ogroman talent i buduci sampion. Ako sada potrose Albona (kao sto su potrosili Gaslija) nece dogodine imati koga da dovedu na njegovo mesto. Sad su ubacili O'Vorda iz Indikara u program (zamenio Tiktama u japanskoj Superformuli, s kojim su raskinuli ugovor) ali on dogodine nece imati dovoljno poena za superlicencu. Nemaju nikoga u F2 trenutno, u Superformuli imaju jos Auera, u F3 Vipsa i Cunodu koji se kvalifikuju po godinama ali ne i po rezultatima. Znaci bilo koji od sadasnja 4 vozaca u F1 da otpadne oni nemaju nikoga da dodje na njegovo mesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momohyoideus Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 To sam i rekao , da ne bi dosli u situaciju da imaju desetak vozaca na 4 bolida, morali su sa vecinom da raskinu ugovore. Niko od tih vozaca se ne bi vratio u neku formulu Japan da ceka drugu priliku za F1 RB tim. Ako momci koji voze u nizim serijama nisu dovoljno dobri onda je neko napravio losu selekciju ili mozda neki drugi razvojni timovi imaju bolju ponudu za mlade vozace... ne znam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Fora je u tome sto su ugovori raskidani i gde je trebalo i gde nije samo da bi se Maks progurao napred. A onda je zafalilo vozaca pa su poceli nespremne da ih ubacuju u vatru. I onda oni naravno sagore a nema niko drugi da uskoci umesto njih jer su prerano pogurali sve koji su imali kvalifikaciju za superlicencu i sad im nije ostao buklavno vise niko. Gasli je trebalo jos ovu sezonu da ostane u STR, ali su oterali Rikarda, Sainca i Vernja pa nisu imali koga. Prosle godine su vaskrsavali Hartlija, ove godine Kvjata cisto da popune broj. Sad su potrosili Gaslija, mozda ce i Albona, uskoro ne da ce im biti frka da nadju 4 vozaca nego nece moci ni 2 mesta da popune. Promenjena su pravila za dobijanje superlicence, sada prakticno moras kroz F2 da prodjes (nema vise direkt iz F3 ili preko Formule Reno itd) a ovi su potrosili sve sto su imali na tom nivou takmicenja i sad ce im trebati minimum dve godine dok ne budu imali sledeceg spremnog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertzog Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Hoces da kazes da su mozgovi iz red bulla pogresili? Ja mislim da to nije moguce. Mozda je vreme da zaprete sa izlaskom iz F1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alen13ASC Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Nek prete ako hoće, ili neka prodaju TR Aston Martinu pa da imamo novu/staru ekipu u kojoj će voziti jedan redovan vozač i jedan iz RB škole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DASUBO Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Slažem se sa Radojem. Ovo što RB radi je čisto "spaljivanje" vozača. Ok, Gasli je sporiji od Verštapena pola sekunde, ali to nije razlog da čoveka smeniš na pola sezone. A tek zalogaj za Albona... Najbolja fora će biti kad Max ispizdi za jedno dve sezone bez titula i sa pokojom titulom i odleprša u Mercedes ili Ferari.😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgen Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Za Vernja, Buemija pa i Rikarda se slažem. Ali šta mogu da očekuju od ovakvog Gaslija? Da je on bio 15ak sekundi iza Maxa u Mađarskoj 20 krugova pre kraja, Merc ne bi ni sanjao o taktici koja im je donela pobedu na kraju. Umesto toga, on se borio sa 2 Meklarena i Kimijem za peto mesto, čak je i tu borbu izgubio i bio prestignut za ceo krug. Identična situacija je bila i u Austriji. Jedina dobra trka mu je bila Velika Britanija. Premalo za nekoga ko vozi u najmanju ruku treći bolid na gridu, a vrlo verovatno drugi, na nekim stazama i najbolji. Albon ako ništa ima pola sezone da se navikne na prvi tim, ako vredi pokazaće to u sledećoj sezoni. Ako ne vredi, kakve onda ima veze što je potrošen? Kao da je teško potpisati nekog Markusa Eriksena, Gvida van der Gardea ili tako nekog vozača da pregura sezonu u Toro Rosu dok neki novi mladić ne stasa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzoni_m Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Bas tako uopste ne vidim da je problem popuniti mesto. Ako nemaju nikog spremnog u juniorskom programu, uvek je tu neki penzioner iz F1 ili neko ko je ispao pre sezonu-dve da uskoci u bolid TR. Da nece sa TR da se bore za titulu? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 A koga ce u drugi RBR? Ni za to nece imati nikoga, a ne za STR. Gasli je prosle godine uzeo cetvrto mesto na Bahreinu u STR-Hondi, jbg momak nije bez talenta, mozda je samo prerano gurnut u prvi tim sa vanserijskim Maksom. Sacekaj ga, istrpi ga do kraja sezone, narocito jer si jos u Madjarskoj govorio da ce sigurno ostati tu do kraja. Albon je pogotovo jos uvek zelen, jbt decko je ruki, ovo je ko kad bi Mercedes Rasela gurnuo umesto Botasa jer Botas ne moze da se nosi sa Hamiltonom. Mozda nijedan od ove dvojice nece nikad biti jedan od top 3 na gridu ali obojica imaju potencijal da budu visestruki pobednici, ono rang Baton - Veber - Kultard, solidna duga karijera a mozda se i titula zalomi ako ih bas usere da sednu u dominantan bolid. Ovako ce zavrsiti F1 karijeru nakon sezonu maksimum dve, otici ce da voze ves masine u FE, na njihovo mesto ce sledeci klinac prerano gurnut u vatru koji ce naravno podbaciti pod pritiskom ocekivanja i ekspresno biti otpisan kao antitalenat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 https://www.racefans.net/2019/08/14/hes-been-promoted-perhaps-a-little-early-gaslys-12-race-red-bull-career-in-quotes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DASUBO Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Kvyat not convinced by Albon’s Red Bull debut 05 September 2019 Alexander Albon’s first race as a Red Bull driver in Belgium was impressive to a number of observers – but not necessarily to his former Toro Rosso team mate… A Honda power unit penalty saw Albon start from 17th on the grid, but he climbed through the field in the race, brilliantly passing Sergio Perez via the grass on the last lap to finish fifth. Meanwhile, the man he spent the first 12 races of the season alongside, Daniil Kvyat, rose from 19th to seventh at the flag. When it was put to the Russian whether his former team mate’s good start to life at Red Bull reflects well on him due to how closely matched they were, the Russian was less impressed. I don’t know why you call it such a good start - he spent 36 laps behind me in a Red Bull Daniil Kvyat on Alex Albon's debut “I don’t know why you call it such a good start,” Kvyat replied. “He spent 36 laps behind me in a Red Bull Racing car, and he started in front of me as well. I don’t know, maybe in the future he will do better. “Normally I don’t pay such close attention, but I had to because we were fighting the whole race in Spa. If he had stayed at Toro Rosso then yeah, it would have been an amazing race for him, but he was in a Red Bull, so… “I’m just commenting on what I saw. Maybe it was the maximum, probably it was the maximum that the car could achieve that day. But the fact that we were fighting and I held up a Red Bull car for most of the race in Spa - where the car really matters a lot - behind me, it was a very pleasing race for me to be honest.” Alex Albon's charging Red Bull debut Although Kvyat acknowledges how difficult it is for a driver to go into a team mid-season and compete against an established team mate such as Max Verstappen, he also says it is fair to be judged against any other driver in the same machinery, because that offers the same potential performance level. “I think it’s not easy, especially when the driver has high confidence and the car suits him, it’s definitely not easy to outperform him consistently. But for sure the cars between team mates are usually very similar and it means the chances are likely to be very similar in terms of what you can achieve from that car. “It’s difficult to say for me. I don’t know how Max is as a driver to be honest, I’ve never been team mates with him so I don’t know how to judge him exactly. But for sure he looks in very good shape, that’s for sure.” Kvyat is currently enjoying a rich vein of form, having scored 23 points in the last four races to sit eighth in the drivers’ standings, two points above Kimi Raikkonen. Zanimljivo gledište. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I ja sam negde slicnog misljenja, mada je svakako dobra stvar to da decko nije sagoreo. Bas dugo je bio najgori medju Hondama na stazi, onda su pred kraj STR izgubili tempo a on se probudio, Hasovi poceli da tonu kroz poredak... Na kraju je kapitalizovao i na nekoliko tehnickih problema za druge vozace (Noris pre svih) i uspeo da dovede RBR bolid tamo gde smo ga i ocekivali sa Maksom za volanom, odmah iza Crvenih i Srebrnih. Daleko od spektakularnog debija ali moglo je to da se zavrsi mnogo, mnogo gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Quote Toro Rosso has applied to change its name to Alpha Tauri from the 2020 Formula 1 season in order to promote a different Red Bull brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHead Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Radoye said: To je odavno trebalo da se desi... bilo simpaticno u pocetku zbog Minardija ali je izgubilo svaki smisao jer verujem da sada vecina ljudi koji prate trke i ne znaju za Minardi tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberto.ascari Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Bodovi koje su osvojili odkako su zajedno u RBR Odesláno z mého BBF100-1 pomocí Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Quote 2019 was a "year of learning" for Red Bull-Honda, according to Max Verstappen. Earlier, it was rumoured the Dutchman was trying to get out of his 2020 contract. But now, he sounds upbeat about aiming for the championship next year. "We have already achieved some good results, but we want to take the next step and try to go for the championship next year," Verstappen said this week at a sponsor event. "It was a year of learning with Honda this year and we made good progress. Everyone on the team is very motivated and wants to win." Uce jos od 2015, kad ce vise da nauce? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorn Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 RBR i Honda rade na novom ugovoru. Trenutni istice krajem 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Radoye Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Quote According to a former racing driver, Jan Lammers, the Red Bull-Honda marriage is now contemplating taking massive steps. He believes that somewhere down the line, Honda may take over the entire F1 operation from Red Bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertzog Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Max produzio ugovor do2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doorn Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 12:03 PM, Hertzog said: Max produzio ugovor do2023 I to za 40M godisnje 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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