[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[Angelia]

7 hours ago, ters said:

 

Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg kolo vode sto je svima jasno, Yuan upada na listu kada Zoom raste jer smo svi na remote sastancima, i slicno... Dakle nemam razlog da dovodim u pitanje metodologiju koja uzima u obzir dosta faktora... Sa druge strane imam dosta razloga da dovodim u pitanje Trampove izjave o bilo cemu - opet na osnovu dnevnih vijesti u kojima jos nije prosao dan da nije imao barem nekoliko laznih tvrdnji...

Vidi iako ja Forbes smatrao za odlican, kad je u pitanju procena privatne vrednosti biznisa, jednostavno ne mogu da im verujem. Ne zato sto im obicno ne verujem nego zato sto nemaju dovoljno podataka. Bukvalno i oni nagadjaju. Sto ne znaci da je Tramp u pravu, verovatno je on napumpao vrednost, kao sto rekoh vrednost zavisi od posmatraca, a vlasnici su poznati da vrednost vide pozitivnije.

Najverovatnije je da njegova vrednost negde izmedju forbsa i njegove procene.

Lako je proceniti Bezosa i gatesa, to su javni podaci.

Uostalom da li je bitno da li je njegova vrednost 3 ili 9 billiona? jedini tax return koji su za njega isplivali su pokazivali da je platio porez, cemu tolika zainteresovanost za njegove poreske prijave?

[Klotzen]

3 hours ago, Cyrus Smith said:

Pa jel predložio ili nije? Ako jeste šta će ti navodnici? Svakome je jasno da Tramp nije zaslužio nagradu, ne znam odakle ovolika reakcija na, verovatno, samoreklamu desničara iz Norveške (dakle bukvalno Hitlera). 

 

Da ga je predložio imao bi i 2018. i sada 2020. neki normalan razlog. Klasičan primer čoveka koji za lovu odrađuje bukvalno šta hoćete.

Ja ne vidim da iko diže neku dževu oko kandidature. No to jeste podvala Trampa koja gađa redneke i koji će pasti na to. Oni definitivno nemaju pojma da ovaj ugovor oko Kosova nema ama baš ništa sa mirom i ljubavlju niti su imali pojma da je Tramp failovao na kub 2018. sa S.Korejom. A ugovor Izraela i UAE se već proglašava mirovnim ugovorom iako nema veze sa tim.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Klotzen

[Cyrus Smith]

2 hours ago, Klotzen said:

 

Da ga je predložio imao bi i 2018. i sada 2020. neki normalan razlog. Klasičan primer čoveka koji za lovu odrađuje bukvalno šta hoćete.

Ja ne vidim da iko diže neku dževu oko kandidature. No to jeste podvala Trampa koja gađa redneke i koji će pasti na to. Oni definitivno nemaju pojma da ovaj ugovor oko Kosova nema ama baš ništa sa mirom i ljubavlju niti su imali pojma da je Tramp failovao na kub 2018. sa S.Korejom. A ugovor Izraela i UAE se već proglašava mirovnim ugovorom iako nema veze sa tim.

Prvo, definicija normalnog je vrlo relativna i jako zavisi od političke pozicije.

 

Drugo, ako i jeste Trampova podvala baš sam iznenaneđen što političari koriste svakakve trikove u kampanji. Tramp je prvi u istoriji koji to radi dok naprimer Demokrate to nikada nisu radili i ne rade.

 

Treće, ne sećam se koji je bio normalan razlog da se kandiduje Obama i još više da nagradu dobije što će Trampa mimoići. Dakle, ni tu nema nekakvog velikog noviteta.

 

Sa primedbama oko Trampovih mirtotvornih inicijativa se manje-više slažem jedino ne znam otkud ideja da uspešna inicijativa treba da bude zasnovana na ljubavi. 

 

[Angelia]

The wealthy young woman accused of rioting in Lower Manhattan cooked up plans to take over luxury apartments abandoned by “white flight” — and defend them by tossing bricks off rooftops, The Post has learned.

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The dozens of hand-written pages also outline a “revolutionary strategy” that cites the murderous Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin and Communist revolutionary Leon Trotsky as inspiration, law-enforcement sources said.

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The protest was sponsored by the New Afrikan Black Panther Party and the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, but Kraebber and most of the others busted with her are white and come from privileged backgrounds.

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A page titled “Revolutionary Strategy” and dated Aug. 21 includes notes that say “Stalin — defend USSR at all costs” and “Trotsky — United front of all working class but don’t let capitalists in,” sources said.

There are repeated references to the Spanish Civil War, including an assertion that the failure of the Spanish revolution of 1936 was a “failure of leadership,” sources said.

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The discovery of Kraebber’s notes led the NYPD to warn cops in a Wednesday email that they could face future incidents during which anarchists blend in with peaceful protesters to incite violence before changing into all-black clothing, sources said.

The “Officer Safety Alert” also said that anarchists could listen in on police communications and stash rocks on rooftops to hurl at cops.

In addition, the NYPD said that the homes of police brass could be targeted, as could patrons of Upper West Side restaurants — as happened Saturday in Pittsburgh, where diners were subjected to profane insults and one demonstrator even swiped a drink off an outdoor table.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/wealthy-blm-protesters-notes-reveal-plan-to-occupy-luxury-nyc-pads/

 

Mislim toliko da u ovim "protestima" nije organizacija ultra-levicara. A ono sto je tragicno je da to potice sa univerziteta.

[Klotzen]

1 hour ago, Cyrus Smith said:

 

Sa primedbama oko Trampovih mirtotvornih inicijativa se manje-više slažem jedino ne znam otkud ideja da uspešna inicijativa treba da bude zasnovana na ljubavi. 

 

 

Da na Kosovu vlada ljubav danas su reči nikog drugog do Trampa. Pročitaj onaj prvi post na ovu temu ponovo imaš tamo kontekst.

 

To što su demokrate pravile sranja je opravdanje da ovaj nesposobnjaković koristi apsoulutno sve gadosti koje su SAD predsednici koristili unazad 200 godina ? Ne razumem ta pravdanja klasičnih gadova time što je neko pre njih isto to uradio. Pa još ako tog od pre smatramo za gada tek onda ne vidim nikakav smisao relativizovanja ovakvih postupaka Trampa. Mislim ajde onda da pravimo logore za nepodobne pa kad nas budu kritikovali onda ćemo se pozvati da je i Ruzvelt to radio za vreme ww2 pa možemo i mi danas. Još je gore ako ponoviš zloupotrebe koje su drugi već radili.

 

[ters]

1 hour ago, Angelia said:

The wealthy young woman accused of rioting in Lower Manhattan cooked up plans to take over luxury apartments abandoned by “white flight” — and defend them by tossing bricks off rooftops, The Post has learned.

......

The dozens of hand-written pages also outline a “revolutionary strategy” that cites the murderous Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin and Communist revolutionary Leon Trotsky as inspiration, law-enforcement sources said.

......

The protest was sponsored by the New Afrikan Black Panther Party and the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, but Kraebber and most of the others busted with her are white and come from privileged backgrounds.

.......

A page titled “Revolutionary Strategy” and dated Aug. 21 includes notes that say “Stalin — defend USSR at all costs” and “Trotsky — United front of all working class but don’t let capitalists in,” sources said.

There are repeated references to the Spanish Civil War, including an assertion that the failure of the Spanish revolution of 1936 was a “failure of leadership,” sources said.

........

The discovery of Kraebber’s notes led the NYPD to warn cops in a Wednesday email that they could face future incidents during which anarchists blend in with peaceful protesters to incite violence before changing into all-black clothing, sources said.

The “Officer Safety Alert” also said that anarchists could listen in on police communications and stash rocks on rooftops to hurl at cops.

In addition, the NYPD said that the homes of police brass could be targeted, as could patrons of Upper West Side restaurants — as happened Saturday in Pittsburgh, where diners were subjected to profane insults and one demonstrator even swiped a drink off an outdoor table.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/wealthy-blm-protesters-notes-reveal-plan-to-occupy-luxury-nyc-pads/

 

Mislim toliko da u ovim "protestima" nije organizacija ultra-levicara. A ono sto je tragicno je da to potice sa univerziteta.

Kaze clanak i sljedece o stvarima o kojima se prica vec mjesecima:
 

1) o organizovanosti - Kraebber also faulted the protests over the police killing of George Floyd, writing, “Minneapolis — lots of spontaneous radical energy but no leadership.”

2) o umjesanosti demokrata u sve zajedno- 

Although Kraebber supported then-US Rep Beto O’Rourke’s 2018 bid to unseat Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and donated $121 to the Rice Young Democrats PAC, her notes indicate that she’s abandoned mainstream liberal politics.

“Anyone who f–ks with Democrats can’t be leadership,” she wrote.

[Angelia]

51 minutes ago, ters said:

Kaze clanak i sljedece o stvarima o kojima se prica vec mjesecima:
 

1) o organizovanosti - Kraebber also faulted the protests over the police killing of George Floyd, writing, “Minneapolis — lots of spontaneous radical energy but no leadership.”

2) o umjesanosti demokrata u sve zajedno- 

Although Kraebber supported then-US Rep Beto O’Rourke’s 2018 bid to unseat Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and donated $121 to the Rice Young Democrats PAC, her notes indicate that she’s abandoned mainstream liberal politics.

“Anyone who f–ks with Democrats can’t be leadership,” she wrote.

Ah ja se slazem za njenu primedbu za Mineapolis, slabija im je organizacija tamo, ali zato Portland, Seattle, NYC, DC etc cveta.

Demokrate to podrzavaju iz senke, naravno da ne ucestvuju u organizaciji. To bi bilo suvise opasno, ali svi znaju da se podrzava. Nije valjda da si mislio da extremisti smatraju umerene demokrate kao svoje? 

Problem i jeste u tome sto demokrate misle da im ultra-left odradjuje posao, a ne kontaju da ce se ovi okrenuti i protiv njih. Sto bi rekli-guja u njedrima.

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2 hours ago, Angelia said:

Ah ja se slazem za njenu primedbu za Mineapolis, slabija im je organizacija tamo, ali zato Portland, Seattle, NYC, DC etc cveta.

Demokrate to podrzavaju iz senke, naravno da ne ucestvuju u organizaciji. To bi bilo suvise opasno, ali svi znaju da se podrzava. Nije valjda da si mislio da extremisti smatraju umerene demokrate kao svoje? 

Problem i jeste u tome sto demokrate misle da im ultra-left odradjuje posao, a ne kontaju da ce se ovi okrenuti i protiv njih. Sto bi rekli-guja u njedrima.

 

 

Vidis, to sto si napisala ja upravo vidim u republikancima, gde se ustvari iz vrha stranke podrzava, cak i ohrabruje da ultra desnicari resavaju njihov problem.

Naprotiv tome ja jasno cujem osudu od trenutnog vrha demokrata za unistavanje, paljenje, lomljenje i ubistva. 

 

Ocito je pitanje samo koji izvor informacije zelis da citas i koristis. 

[mrd]

4 minutes ago, Baby said:

 

 

Vidis, to sto si napisala ja upravo vidim u republikancima, gde se ustvari iz vrha stranke podrzava, cak i ohrabruje da ultra desnicari resavaju njihov problem.

Naprotiv tome ja jasno cujem osudu od trenutnog vrha demokrata za unistavanje, paljenje, lomljenje i ubistva. 

 

Ocito je pitanje samo koji izvor informacije zelis da citas i koristis. 

Cini se da je pri izboru izvora informacije takodje veoma vazno razmisljati, da ne bude posle drzite lopova, a taj lopov je bas parolas.

Vazno je slepo podrazavati svoju stranu, cak i kad nisi u pravu.

Razumemo mi to iz tvojih postova. Ne moras da napominjes.

 

Cini se da se mnogi drze emocija i serca, a ne mozga i razmisljanja.

[Angelia]

27 minutes ago, Baby said:

 

 

Vidis, to sto si napisala ja upravo vidim u republikancima, gde se ustvari iz vrha stranke podrzava, cak i ohrabruje da ultra desnicari resavaju njihov problem.

Naprotiv tome ja jasno cujem osudu od trenutnog vrha demokrata za unistavanje, paljenje, lomljenje i ubistva. 

 

Ocito je pitanje samo koji izvor informacije zelis da citas i koristis. 

Gde si videla da ultra-desnicari odradjuju posao? Koliko su gradova zapalili? Opet sam propustila neke vesti, gde to - sta su sve opljackali, i koliko su policajaca povredili?

Nemoj nista o "jasnoj osudi" demokrata za "mirne protestante".  Jel bese demokratska stranka podrzavala prikupljanje para za bail za uhapsene u riots i looting? 

 

At least 13 Biden campaign staff members posted on Twitter on Friday and Saturday that they made donations to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which opposes the practice of cash bail, or making people pay to avoid pre-trial imprisonment. The group uses donations to pay bail fees in Minneapolis.

 

Cak je i Kamala trazila podrsku.

Ili da pominjemo DA u Portlandu koji je odlucio da nece podizati optuznice (demokrata)

Izuzetno su osudili nasilje 

 

Jedan od fondova je i oslobodio osudjenog pedofila koji je bio optuzen da je izbo coveka na ulici - a taj Trampov supporter je inace - crn.

 

PORTLAND, OR – In late July, a convicted sex offender and Antifa-enthusiast reportedly stabbed a black Trump supporter who was documenting footage of riots in Portland.

Now, the sex offender and alleged stabber in the July case has been bailed out, and sources are pointing to a bail fund established for Antifa militants that aims to get their “comrades” out of jail.

 

Mene samo interesuje kada ces izvuci glavu iz peska i videti sta se dogadja.

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Andjelija, ja ne mogu da ponavljam sto je ovde postavljano i pisano 100 puta. Stvarno imas nevidjen stepen ignorancije. 

 

Jel Tramp hvalio dobre momke, jesu pravili na fox news od malog ubice iz Wisconsina heroja, jer Tramp slao neobelezene automobile sa neobelezenim "kornjacama" da mlate demonstrante? Jeste

 

Necu postavljati do iznemoglosti isto, svakako ces terati svoju pricu na svaki i svaciji post...

 

Da li je Bajden osudio paljenje i unistavanje i rekao da je to veliko no no, bez obzira na politiku? Jeste

 

Idi nadji, ima sve dokumentovano u videu i Tramp i Bajden... slusaj malo sta govore, ne moras da lepis nypost koji je desnicarski medij sa mixed factual. Ima verodostojnijih medija. 

[Angelia]

1 minute ago, Baby said:

Andjelija, ja ne mogu da ponavljam sto je ovde postavljano i pisano 100 puta. Stvarno imas nevidjen stepen ignorancije. 

 

Ja te nisam pitala da ponavljas ono sto si rekla, posto ti odlicno to radis, ponavljas ono sto si rekla a niko nije pitao.

Koje gradove su popalili i opljackali desnicari u zadnjih 6 meseci da obavljaju posao za republikance? Koliko policajacu su povredili, koliko policijskih vozila zapalili?

 

Pa kako su oni problem? Ti ces svaki put da pomenes jedan incident u Charlotsvillu, i da ga vrtis u krug kao ilustraciju opasnosti od desnicara.

[Cyrus Smith]

6 hours ago, Klotzen said:

 

Da na Kosovu vlada ljubav danas su reči nikog drugog do Trampa. Pročitaj onaj prvi post na ovu temu ponovo imaš tamo kontekst.

 

To što su demokrate pravile sranja je opravdanje da ovaj nesposobnjaković koristi apsoulutno sve gadosti koje su SAD predsednici koristili unazad 200 godina ? Ne razumem ta pravdanja klasičnih gadova time što je neko pre njih isto to uradio. Pa još ako tog od pre smatramo za gada tek onda ne vidim nikakav smisao relativizovanja ovakvih postupaka Trampa. Mislim ajde onda da pravimo logore za nepodobne pa kad nas budu kritikovali onda ćemo se pozvati da je i Ruzvelt to radio za vreme ww2 pa možemo i mi danas. Još je gore ako ponoviš zloupotrebe koje su drugi već radili.

 

Ne pravdanju nego ukazivanju da sve to, od izjave Trampa o ljubavi (koja veze nema sa životom) do nebitne činjenice ko je nominovao Trampa (desničar koji kritikuje imigracju, jaka stvar) nekome ko nije čvrsto na jednoj strani kao ti uopšte nije nikakav epohalan greh.

 

Izuzimajući identity politics ja bi verovatno bio bio bliže demokratama nego ovima koje sam donedavno percipirao kao verske fanatike. Dakle, meni kao nekakvom centristi to što navodiš nisu nikakvi kapitalni argumenti. Može i sa druge strane da se navede, recimo, da je Kamala Haris našla za shodno da porodicu osumnjičenog za seksualni napad, kršenje zabrane prilaska, opiranje policiji i još ponešto nazove "incredible family". A da, i da popriča nasamo sa njim.

 

Sad mi objasni zašto je Trampovo ulepšavanje sopstvenog dila i ovo o desničaru gori prekršaj od pljuvanja po celom me too pokretu i prikazivanju upucavanju nasilnika kao "beli rasisti policajci pucali u nevinog crnca koji je brao ljubičice" događaja. Da je taj me too republikanski izum pa da i razumem, ovako čist oportunizam i ljigavost. Baš kao i Tramp. 

 

 

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Spoiler

Short for “anti-fascist,” the label “antifa” gained notoriety in 2017 over the course of several high-profile conflicts between left-wing protesters and the far right in Berkeley, Calif.; Portland, Ore.; Charlottesville; and elsewhere. But antifa has been a staple of radical politics across Europe, Latin America and beyond for decades. Even in the United States, this tradition of militant antifascism has a long history under the banner of the Anti-Racist Action network. Despite this history, and a litany of journalistic “explainers” over the past three years, antifa remains largely misunderstood. Here are some of the most popular myths.

 

Myth No. 1

Antifa is a single organization.

 

On May 31, President Trump tweeted, “The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization.” Attorney General William P. Barr echoed his sentiments by arguing that antifa is “a revolutionary group that is interested in some form of socialism.” Right-wing figure Chuck Callesto even claimed that Sen. Rand Paul intended to “SUBPOENA ANTIFA plane records, hotel records, all travel records & all funding.”

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But Trump cannot designate “ANTIFA” as a terrorist organization because antifa is not an organization. Rather, it is a politics of revolutionary opposition to the far right. There are antifa groups, such as Rose City Antifa in Portland and NYC Antifa, just as there are feminist groups, such as Code Pink. But neither antifa nor feminism is itself an organization. You cannot subpoena an idea or a movement. That’s not to say that antifa doesn’t exist, of course. Antifa is “very real,” as Rep. Jim Jordan has argued, but not in the monolithic, hierarchical way in which he and many other Americans are accustomed to thinking of political associations.

 

Myth No. 2

Antifa masterminds violence at Black Lives Matter protests.

 

Police stations were burned, squad cars were destroyed, and property was damaged across the country after the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis in May. Days later, Trump was quick to blame the violence on “ANTIFA and the Radical Left.” The president also promoted a far-right conspiracy theory that a 75-year-old racial justice protester in Buffalo who was shoved to the ground by police, fracturing his skull, “could be an ANTIFA provocateur.” Rudolph W. Giuliani concurred, claiming that “antifa sprang into action and in a flash hijacked the protests into vicious, brutal riots.”

 

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But neither the Justice Department, the FBI nor the press have found evidence to corroborate the grandiose allegation that the most widespread and significant political upheaval this country has seen in half a century was masterminded by one shadowy organization. Not even in Portland. Antifa groups are simply not numerous enough, nor their memberships large enough, nor their politics influential enough to have achieved such massive destruction. Militant anti-fascist groups heavily vet potential members to prevent infiltration from law enforcement or the far right. Some don’t open their ranks to new members at all. Significant investments of time and energy are expected. Such high barriers to entry necessarily keep numbers low.

 

Myth No. 3

Antifa is affiliated with the Democratic Party.

 

In August, a fake antifa website began to redirect users to Joe Biden’s campaign site. Though it was clearly a ploy to associate the Democratic Party with antifa, right wingers seized upon the apparent conspiracy. Speaking about the Democrats that same day, Trump claimed that “in my book, it’s virtually part of their campaign, antifa.” According to Ann Coulter, the Democrats are “the Antifa Party.” And columnists have argued that “antifa riots may be part of [a] Democrat power grab” or even that “antifa is the militant wing of the Democratic Party.”

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Not only is there no evidence to support such allegations — which are more of an effort to associate liberalism with lawlessness than anything else — but Democratic leaders have routinely condemned antifa and political violence more broadly. For example, in 2017 Nancy Pelosi denounced “the violent actions of people calling themselves antifa” after destructive protests against right-wing commentator Milo Yiannopoulos in Berkeley. When a reporter recently asked Joe Biden, “Do you condemn antifa?,” he responded, “Yes, I do.”

Nor is there any antifa love affair with the Democrats. The vast majority of antifa militants are radical anti-capitalists who oppose the Democratic Party. Some may hold their noses and vote for Biden in November, but many are anarchists who don’t vote at all.

 

Myth No. 4

Antifa is funded by liberal financiers like George Soros.

 

Right-wing conspiracy theorists have alleged that egalitarian protest movements, such as Occupy Wall Street or the women’s marches, have been secretly funded for many years by liberal financiers like George Soros. Trump is among those who have accused Soros of funding antifa, while other conservatives, such as Rep. Ken Buck, have dog-whistled this anti-Semitic trope by asking in more general terms “who is funding these violent riots.” Similarly, Rand Paul asked, after being confronted by protesters in D.C.: “Who paid for their hotel rooms? Who flew them in?”

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There is no evidence that Soros or any other 1 percenter is bankrolling antifa groups. Receiving financial support from a billionaire would be anathema to their anti-capitalist politics. Like most anarchist, anti-authoritarian or radical groups, antifa organizations don’t have much money at their disposal. What they do have generally comes from members or occasional solidarity fundraisers. Unlike political parties, unions or nongovernmental organizations, they don’t require significant funds. The International Anti-Fascist Defense Fund collects small donations primarily for legal and medical support, but that hardly constitutes the moneyed boogeyman that Republicans have conjured.

 

Myth No. 5

Antifascists are the 'real fascists.'

 

Recently Barr described antifa as deploying “fascistic” tactics, and Donald Trump Jr. characterized the movement as having moved “to the book burning phase.” The Internet is awash with articles about how “antifa are the real fascists,” as the Spectator’s Toby Young put it, or the “brownshirts” of the Democratic Party, in radio host Michael Savage’s words. After Charlottesville, Trump called antifascists the “alt-left,” a term that did not stick. These portrayals are often supported by references to antifascists’ disruption of the events of their (far-right) political opponents — a strategy famously deployed by fascists.

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Indeed, antifascists and fascists have one thing in common: an illiberal disdain for the confines of mainstream politics. In every other way they are worlds apart. As opposed to their far-right adversaries, antifascists are feminist, anti-racist, anti-capitalists who seek to abolish prisons and police. Comparing antifascists to fascists only makes a bit of sense if one divorces the tactics from the underlying views that animate them. Such comparisons stem from the misguided horseshoe theory: that ultimately political extremes meet. But fascists are the real fascists because they pursue a fascist political agenda.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-antifa/2020/09/11/527071ac-f37b-11ea-bc45-e5d48ab44b9f_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

 

 

[didžej hel]

i kouču su uspeli da ogade basket:

 

Kao šlag na tortu došlo je i nedavno gostovanje predsednika Vučića na RTS-u tokom kojeg je rekao: “Veče pred sastanak u Beloj kući gledao sam NBA utakmice, ne znate koja je bila bolja od koje, da li Boston – Toronto, da li Denver – Klipersi. Ali, u toku prenosa sam čuo najgoru moguću kampanju protiv predsednika SAD Donalda Trampa, nisam to mogao da slušam, pa sam promenio kanal i gledao sam hokej.”

 

https://nova.rs/region/zasto-sve-autokrate-navijaju-za-trampa/

[NMX]

Pa, da sam Orban, Erdogan, Vučić, Lukašenko...pa i Putin, bogUmi, trpao bih sve što može u Trampovu kampanju. 

 

Za Kinu i brata Xia, već nisam siguran. Čak bih mogao da se kladim da gruvaju ogromne pare u Bajdenovu kampanju. 

[didžej hel]

Just now, NMX said:

Pa, da sam Orban, Erdogan, Vučić, Lukašenko...pa i Putin, bogUmi, trpao bih sve što može u Trampovu kampanju. 

 

Za Kinu i brata Xia, već nisam siguran. Čak bih mogao da se kladim da gruvaju ogromne pare u Bajdenovu kampanju. 

 

ne kontam zašto bi ove autokrate (često i kvazi-komunjare), daklem, sve suprotno od osnovnih postulata usa, pomagali tako što daju novac?

 

dovoljno je da podržavaju brata donalda. mislim da, ako da bog & sveti savo, donald pobedi, ima potencijala da postane lider nesvrstanih autokrata za novi milenijum.

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Just now, uini said:

 

ne kontam zašto bi ove autokrate (često i kvazi-komunjare), daklem, sve suprotno od osnovnih postulata usa, pomagali tako što daju novac?

 

dovoljno je da podržavaju brata donalda. mislim da, ako da bog & sveti savo, donald pobedi, ima potencijala da postane lider nesvrstanih autokrata za novi milenijum.

 

Malo sam se neprecizno izrazio..elem, ne mislim nužno na pare. Posebno sirotani poput nas. Nego ono, uz dlaku, po svaku cenu. Kao ovaj sporazum za Kosovo Trampovu kampanju. Direktan ustupak.

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18 hours ago, Angelia said:

Ja te nisam pitala da ponavljas ono sto si rekla, posto ti odlicno to radis, ponavljas ono sto si rekla a niko nije pitao.

Koje gradove su popalili i opljackali desnicari u zadnjih 6 meseci da obavljaju posao za republikance? Koliko policajacu su povredili, koliko policijskih vozila zapalili?

 

Pa kako su oni problem? Ti ces svaki put da pomenes jedan incident u Charlotsvillu, i da ga vrtis u krug kao ilustraciju opasnosti od desnicara.

 

Sa kolikom sigurnoscu ti mozes da tvrdis da medju potpaljivacima nije bilo desnicara koji hoce da podmetnu levicarima paljevinu? 100% jer ti sve znas, strucnjak za sva pitanja... 

 

Ignorisala si i umbrella man, pa sto ne bi vrtela istu pricu i dalje. 

 

Ne vidim da si se iscimala oko par hiljada izgorelih zgrada u pozaru u Oregonu... to nikog ne interesuje, nije politicko pitanje, ne moze da se transferuje na levicu... 

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3 hours ago, Baby said:

 

Sa kolikom sigurnoscu ti mozes da tvrdis da medju potpaljivacima nije bilo desnicara koji hoce da podmetnu levicarima paljevinu? 100% jer ti sve znas, strucnjak za sva pitanja... 

 

Ignorisala si i umbrella man, pa sto ne bi vrtela istu pricu i dalje. 

 

Ne vidim da si se iscimala oko par hiljada izgorelih zgrada u pozaru u Oregonu... to nikog ne interesuje, nije politicko pitanje, ne moze da se transferuje na levicu... 

Izvini morala sam da pogledam naslov teme, kaze unutrasnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja, nesto mi pozar na zapadnoj obali ne spada u tu kategoriju.

 

A inace to sto su medju pljackasima nasli jednog sa desnim pogledima, pa sigurna sam da ih je bilo, ne kao instigatora nego da iskoriste situaciju. Zasto to kazem, pa sve vreme se oglasavaju organizacije koje su organizovale doticne "proteste", opravdavaju sta se dogadja, vidimo i ko su uhapseni "protestanti" - nijedan nema desnicarski istorijat.

 

jasno je meni da ces ti izmisliti i neke nepostojece desnicare koji su sve organizovali ne bi li optuzili levicu  Samo bese organizatori BLM protesta u Chicagu rekli da je looting u stvari repatrijacija? Nisam videla Proud Boys i sl da kazu tako nesto

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Ambush shooting in Compton leads to rowdy protests; LA reporter arrested after scuffle

 

LYNWOOD, Calif. (KABC) -- A small crowd of demonstrators gathered outside a Lynwood hospital Saturday night where two Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputies are being treated after an ambush shooting in Compton.

Video from outside St. Francis Medical Center shows authorities trying to clear the area. At one point, a few people were seen blocking the emergency exit and entrance to the hospital.

One witness said some of the demonstrators even tried to get inside the building.

"They were saying death to the police, kill the police and they were using all types of curse words and derogatory terms about the police, just provoking our police officers," said Bishop Juan Carlos Mendez with Churches in Action. "(It's) unacceptable behavior because the hospital should be a sanctuary, we should leave hospitals alone."

The sheriff's department tweeted that protesters were yelling "We hope they die."

 

Kazu da je skup organizovao BLM, ali sta znam mozda su i republikanci, preobuceni u BLM. Uglavnom dva zamenika serifa, su upucana u kolima, bez ikakvog sukoba, i trenutno se bore za zivot. Za to vreme se organizuju protesti ispred bolnice sa toplim zeljama da policajci umru.

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Bye, bye constitution - cestitke svim Trampovim pristalicama!

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/13/trump-says-he-will-negotiate-third-term-because-hes-entitled-to-it/amp/

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4 hours ago, Angelia said:

Izvini morala sam da pogledam naslov teme, kaze unutrasnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja, nesto mi pozar na zapadnoj obali ne spada u tu kategoriju.

 

A inace to sto su medju pljackasima nasli jednog sa desnim pogledima, pa sigurna sam da ih je bilo, ne kao instigatora nego da iskoriste situaciju. Zasto to kazem, pa sve vreme se oglasavaju organizacije koje su organizovale doticne "proteste", opravdavaju sta se dogadja, vidimo i ko su uhapseni "protestanti" - nijedan nema desnicarski istorijat.

 

jasno je meni da ces ti izmisliti i neke nepostojece desnicare koji su sve organizovali ne bi li optuzili levicu  Samo bese organizatori BLM protesta u Chicagu rekli da je looting u stvari repatrijacija? Nisam videla Proud Boys i sl da kazu tako nesto

 

Jel treba da se nasmejem kao ti na tekst o zabludama o antifi?

 

Elem, rekoh ti, veruj slobodno u sta hoces. Niko nije rekao da nisu palili i rusili, ali ti insistiras da je to vece zlotvorstvo od ubistava... mslm svarno vise nemam nameru da se nastavljam sa nekim ko botuje do besvesti... izvini. 

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Kome ovde nije jasno o cemu se radi, nema mu puno pomoci... 

 

[Angelia]

2 hours ago, Baby said:

 

Jel treba da se nasmejem kao ti na tekst o zabludama o antifi?

 

Elem, rekoh ti, veruj slobodno u sta hoces. Niko nije rekao da nisu palili i rusili, ali ti insistiras da je to vece zlotvorstvo od ubistava... mslm svarno vise nemam nameru da se nastavljam sa nekim ko botuje do besvesti... izvini. 

Zablude o antifi su tvrdnja - pa koga? Hoces da kazes da ultra-levicari ne postoje i nisu ucestvovali u zadnjih 6 meseci?

Ne ja ne insistiram da je paljenje i rusenje, i politicko nasilje gore nego ubistvo 30+ ljudi (to je diskutabilno), samo insistiram da je trenutno nas najveci problem, a ti citiras predjasnje grehe desnicara i uporno pokusavas da dokazes da problem extremnih levicara ne postoji. To je samo teorija zavere...

 

Pa reci cu ti kao sto sam rekla i pre 2016 - ajde da cekamo i vidimo ko je problem. secam se da su mi na forumu ljudi govorili kako ce desnicari setati ispred moje kuce, kad ono ko je ljudima zapalio kuce?

 

Idi pitaj ljude tako gde su bile paljevine, ko im je zapalio ulicu.