GlennGould Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 @Hromi Daba Ne možeš da bacaš ovakve bombe bez debelog pokrića. Dakle, izvoli pa postuj facts u prilog tvoje optužbe da je US under TRUMP hapsila legalne imigrante i slala ih doma. or edituj si post(ove). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez nuts. Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 [mention=892]Hromi Daba[/mention] Ne možeš da bacaš ovakve bombe bez debelog pokrića. Dakle, izvoli pa postuj facts u prilog tvoje optužbe da je US under TRUMP hapsila legalne imigrante i slala ih doma. oredituj si post(ove). Hapsila je i USA rezidente i drzala ih u kampovima 3 nedelje iako im je decko pokazao Texas ID i birth certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sprivel said: Hapsila je i USA rezidente i drzala ih u kampovima 3 nedelje iako im je decko pokazao Texas ID i birth certificate. Uhapsili su ga jer je bio u pratnji brata koji je ilegalan. Ali mu nisu uzeli dete i deportovali ga - zar ne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez nuts. Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Uhapsili su ga zasto? Ajde opet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sprivel said: Uhapsili su ga zasto? Ajde opet. Ajde opet, uhapsili su ga jer je bio u pratnji brata koji je ilegalac, a imao je US vizu koju je majka uradila, znaci fejkirala, da je rodjen u Mexiku, da bi mogao da putuje za Mexiko, iako je US born, pa su sa pravom smatrali da su njegova dokumenta lazna. A inace je i majka ilegalac. Znaci zadrzan je dok je vrsena istraga, jer je imao kontradiktornu dokumentaciju. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The “Assisted Voluntary Return” program has paid for buses or flights for 2,170 migrants who either never reached the United States or were detained after crossing the border and then sent to Mexico to await U.S. immigration hearings, according to Christopher Gascon, an official with the U.N.’s International Organization for Migration (IOM).https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-returns/thousands-of-central-american-migrants-take-free-rides-home-courtesy-of-us-government-idUSKCN1VB0ZJ ...... MEXICO CITY (AP) — Dozens of Central Americans who had been returned to the border city of Juarez to await the outcome of their U.S. asylum claims were being bused back to their countries Tuesday by Mexican authorities, a first for that size group in the program commonly known as “remain in Mexico.” In a statement, the Foreign Relations Department described it as the beginning of a “temporary program of voluntary return” for migrants in northern Mexico who wish to go home. It said 69 people — 40 Hondurans, 22 Guatemalans and seven Salvadorans — were involved, and 66 of those were returnees under the U.S. program. https://www.apnews.com/e9389db6636743928562972637d863c7 Pogledaj statistiku razloga zbog čega su krenuli ka američkoj granici:https://www.humanitarianresponse.info/sites/www.humanitarianresponse.info/files/documents/files/iom_voluntary_return_-_may_10_-_en.pdfSve suprotno od onoga što si ti pretpostavila. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez nuts. Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 26 dana logora da se provere papiri. Ok. Nadam se da ce ih decko ojaditi za pretrpljenu nematerijalnu stetu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 26 dana logora da se provere papiri. Ok. Nadam se da ce ih decko ojaditi za pretrpljenu nematerijalnu stetu. A pazi ovo (iz angelijinog linka): The returned migrants have not been interviewed by U.S. asylum officers. But Gascon said his agency screens all participants to ensure they are not seeking U.S. asylum and want to go back. Nisu ih intervjuisali ali znaju da ne žele da traže azil i da žele da se vrate kući. Što bi se reklo: išli da im dupe vidi put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyogi Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Tako mu i treba kada nije otišao do trafike gde Bil Klinton prodaje državljanstva, odmah tamo gde se prođe ispod ufrčkane bodljikave žice. Ko je to uradio na vreme, taj je nakrivio kapu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, melankolic said: Pogledaj statistiku razloga zbog čega su krenuli ka američkoj granici:https://www.humanitarianresponse.info/sites/www.humanitarianresponse.info/files/documents/files/iom_voluntary_return_-_may_10_-_en.pdf Sve suprotno od onoga što si ti pretpostavila. Sta suprotno - 82% bi htelo bolji zivot? 3 minutes ago, Sprivel said: 26 dana logora da se provere papiri. Ok. Nadam se da ce ih decko ojaditi za pretrpljenu nematerijalnu stetu. Jbga sta da ti kazem, majka lagala na birth certificate, izvadila laznu vizu .... oni mu uzeli otiske prstiju i videli lazne papire. Da su papiri bili pravi....onda bi imao slucaj. Interesatno, da je brat mladji godinu dana - ilegalac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, melankolic said: Nisu ih intervjuisali ali znaju da ne žele da traže azil i da žele da se vrate kući. Što bi se reklo: išli da im dupe vidi put. Pa zar nisi upravo okacio link da jesu intervjuisani? Mislim kako je taj izvestaj napravljen ako nije bilo screening 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 ... Pa i nije baš.Glavni razlog je ekonomska nesigurnost i nejednakost. Drugi po redu razlog je nasilje (koje se ukršta sa onim prvim). A pogledaj šta su sve ti ljudi trpeli na putu za američku granicu i šta ih čeka kada ih vrate.Pri tome, samo 3 % navodi da im je cilj spajanje porodice.A uz sve to, da ponovim, nije se imalo vremena za intervjue koje će obaviti na Sveto Nikad jer su se ovi, je l’ te, već odlučili da se vrate tamo gde su ih maltretirali, ucenjivali i sl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 koji licemeri: NEW YORK (Reuters) - A coalition of 19 states and the District of Columbia, led by California and Massachusetts, said on Monday they will sue the Trump administration to stop a sweeping new rule to indefinitely detain migrant families seeking to settle in the United States. The lawsuit, which is to be filed in federal court in California, will be only the first of what is expected to be a flurry of lawsuits aimed at blocking the rule, officially published on Friday, from taking effect in October. Obamu nisu tuzili za isto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Pa zar nisi upravo okacio link da jesu intervjuisani? Mislim kako je taj izvestaj napravljen ako nije bilo screening Ja sam samo preuzeo ono što si ti postavila. To što su informacije kontradiktorne nije na meni da ih tumačim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, melankolic said: Pa i nije baš. Glavni razlog je ekonomska nesigurnost i nejednakost. Drugi po redu razlog je nasilje (koje se ukršta sa onim prvim). A pogledaj šta su sve ti ljudi trpeli na putu za američku granicu i šta ih čeka kada ih vrate. Pri tome, samo 3 % navodi da im je cilj spajanje porodice. A uz sve to, da ponovim, nije se imalo vremena za intervjue koje će obaviti na Sveto Nikad jer su se ovi, je l’ te, već odlučili da se vrate tamo gde su ih maltretirali, ucenjivali i sl. 75% navodi kao primarni cilj - bolji zivot. Ne mozes vala i grafikon izvrtati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 75% navodi kao primarni cilj - bolji zivot. Ne mozes vala i grafikon izvrtati. Bolji život? Pa naravno u sredini gde su konstantno izloženi nasilju i iznudama. Čuj, vraćaju ih u Tihuanu! Je li ti poznato to mesto po nečemu? A šta su trebali da kažu: zavlačenje ruke u američki džep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, melankolic said: Ja sam samo preuzeo ono što su ti postavila. To što su informacije kontradiktorne nije na meni da ih tumačim. Uopste nisu kontradiktorne, nego nisi ti to lepo procitao: The returned migrants have not been interviewed by U.S. asylum officers. But Gascon said his agency screens all participants to ensure they are not seeking U.S. asylum and want to go back. Jel jasnije sad? Ili je problematicno sto ih intervjuise UN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, Angelia said: Uhapsili su ga jer je bio u pratnji brata koji je ilegalan. Ali mu nisu uzeli dete i deportovali ga - zar ne? Da li to znaci da moze da se predje granica sa laznjakom ako oni to ne mogu da utvrde u kratkom roku? Quote Francisco Erwin Galicia is an 18-year-old United States Citizen born in Dallas who was detained by Customs and Border Protection and detained for three weeks despite presenting his state ID and social security card, his attorney told The Dallas Morning News. Galicia was detained at a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, Texas on June 27, attorney Claudia Galan told the outlet. He was traveling with his 17-year-old brother, Marlon Galicia, and a group of friends to Ranger College in North Texas for a soccer event when they were stopped, his mother added. Marlon, who is undocumented, only had a school identification card but Francisco Galicia had a Texas state ID and other documents. Both brothers were detained and Marlon signed a voluntary deportation form after two days of detention. Francisco Galicia told his mother that he was detained because he did not have his passport, even though he did not leave the country. Galicia was not allowed to use the phone for three weeks, his mother told The Dallas Morning News, but was able to call on Saturday after he was transferred to the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Galan told the outlet that she presented the agency with Galicia’s birth certificate and other documents but has not been able to get him released. Quote CHICAGO, IL — Three children who are U.S. citizens have been released after being held by U.S. Customs and Border Patrol at O'Hare International Airport until their parents, who are undocumented, could pick them up. The incident started around 3 a.m. Thursday, when immigration officials rejected the tourist visa of a cousin who was traveling with the children from Mexico, according to Anna Maran, organizing director at PASO, the West Suburban Action Project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, melankolic said: Bolji život? Pa naravno u sredini gde su konstantno izloženi nasilju i iznudama. A šta su trebali da kažu: zavlačenje ruke u američki džep? A samo 18% navodi bilo kakvo nasilje? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Angelia said: Sta suprotno - 82% bi htelo bolji zivot? Ko ne bi i zasto ne bi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Baby said: Da li to znaci da moze da se predje granica sa laznjakom ako oni to ne mogu da utvrde u kratkom roku? Nisam razumela pitanje. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Baby said: Ko ne bi i zasto ne bi? Legitimno, ali to su znaci ekonomski imigranti, u pokusaju, posto to pokusavaju ilegalno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, Angelia said: Legitimno, ali to su znaci ekonomski imigranti, u pokusaju, posto to pokusavaju ilegalno. Zato sto neki ljudi nemaju osnov za dobijanje viza, to i dalje ne znaci da nemaju prava da zele bolji zivot. Zato prelaze ilegalno. Ne znaci da mislim da sve treba pustiti, ali mi je jezivo osudjivati neciju zelju za boljim zivotom. Zar to svi mi ne zelimo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 A samo 18% navodi bilo kakvo nasilje? Da ali i u tih 75 % je razlog nedostatak posla i nejednakost. U kombinaciji sa nasiljem šta ti to govori?Ako sam Trump kaže da u Meksiku hara kriminal zašto onda ima protiv toga da spasi te ljude koji beže od kriminala? Pogotovo tu mislim na porodice s decom (koja i da nisu njihova moraju biti zaštićena). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Baby said: Zato sto neki ljudi nemaju osnov za dobijanje viza, to i dalje ne znaci da nemaju prava da zele bolji zivot. Zato prelaze ilegalno. Ne znaci da mislim da sve treba pustiti, ali mi je jezivo osudjivati neciju zelju za boljim zivotom. Zar to svi mi ne zelimo? No-no izvrtati sta ja pricam sve vreme. Ne osudjujem ja niciju zelju za boljim zivotom, samo nacin na koji do toga pokusavaju da dodju. Vidis, to meni izgleda kao da mi objasnis da ne treba da osudjujem provalnika - on samo krade jer hoce bolji zivot. Ne poredim ja ilegalce sa provalnicima da se neko ne zaleti, nego ilegalnu radnju sa ilegalnom radnjom u kojoj je rezultat bolji zivot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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