Epidemija koronavirusa (Covid-19 / SARS-Cov2) - dnevne aktuelnosti iz zemlje i sveta

[Kronostime]

8 hours ago, Laki21 said:

Isključiš karticu ili kartice, u gradu se uključiš na besplatan wifi gde ima i tako komuniciraš s ljudima ako je nešto hitno, preko aplikacija. Bazne stanice te ne prate, nema triangulacije, mirna Bačka.

Ne funkcionise to tako - telefon moze da se prati i preko IMEI koda, a za to mu ne treba SIM kartica.

Zato se koriste tzv Burn Phone - kupis ga za jednokratnu upotrebu i bacis odma` posle.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Kronostime

[handys]

Mozda je ovo vise za nauku, ali mi je delovalo zgodnije ovde posto nije vezano za neke konkretne naucne novosti, prebacite ako je ovde off:

 

Genetics Expert Says Covid-19 May Affect Human Evolution

 

https://m.calcalistech.com/Article.aspx?guid=3806775

 

Mali isecak:

 

 

Did you ever imagine that we would find ourselves in this type of situation?

 

“Absolutely. Moreover I fail to understand how we did not find ourselves in it sooner. Think about it, never before have there been such conditions of proximity. Human society is more urbanized than ever before. In an urban society people are in direct contact with each other on a constant basis, every time they press a button on an elevator. The fact that we have gone 100 years without a pandemic, speaks to the resilience of our immune systems.”

[Milenko Puzigaca]

Ipak je najvaznija poruka:

 

“It all depends on people’s willingness to self-isolate, but the chances of people locking themselves up are pretty slim. In a country that is home to 300 million people it could easily end with millions of deaths, but I remain an optimist.”

 

Znaci kao i za vreme kuge, najbolja zastita od svake epidemije je masksimalno izbegavanje svih. Koji nece, pa... kazu rodilo zito.

[handys]

Da, a zanimljivo je i to sto su reakcije iste sad i pre 1500 godina - bezanje iz urbanih sredina. Slusao sam neke istoricare koji kazu da se i u Srednjem veku kuga tako sirila.

[christofer]

Ne funkcionise to tako - telefon moze da se prati i preko IMEI koda, a za to mu ne treba SIM kartica.
Zato se koriste tzv Burn Phone - kupis ga za jednokratnu upotrebu i bacis odma` posle.

Offtopic zesci, ali npr se uzme teblet bez opcije za sim karticu - wifi only, koji ne bi trebalo da ima imei broj, and you're good to go....neki voip nalog koji ne zahteva broj i eto komunikacije.

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[NMX]

Sjajan, sjaaaajan članak NY timesa

 

He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus

 

 

ok, jeste NYT maltene glasilo američkih demokrata ali je tekst baš dobar i koga ne mrzi, neka čita (podugačak je tekst)...koga mrzi, onda ovaj deo, posebno apropo jučerašnje priče da je ostatak sveta znao prave podatke iz Kine drugačije bi reagovao. Obratite pažnju na vremenske periode kada se ovo dešava

 

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The China Factor

The earliest warnings about coronavirus got caught in the crosscurrents of the administration’s internal disputes over China. It was the China hawks who pushed earliest for a travel ban. But their animosity toward China also undercut hopes for a more cooperative approach by the world’s two leading powers to a global crisis.

 

It was early January, and the call with a Hong Kong epidemiologist left Matthew Pottinger rattled.

Mr. Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser and a hawk on China, took a blunt warning away from the call with the doctor, a longtime friend: A ferocious, new outbreak that on the surface appeared similar to the SARS epidemic of 2003 had emerged in China. It had spread far more quickly than the government was admitting to, and it wouldn’t be long before it reached other parts of the world.

Mr. Pottinger had worked as a Wall Street Journal correspondent in Hong Kong during the SARS epidemic, and was still scarred by his experience documenting the death spread by that highly contagious virus.

Now, seventeen years later, his friend had a blunt message: You need to be ready. The virus, he warned, which originated in the city of Wuhan, was being transmitted by people who were showing no symptoms — an insight that American health officials had not yet accepted. Mr. Pottinger declined through a spokesman to comment.

 

It was one of the earliest warnings to the White House, and it echoed the intelligence reports making their way to the National Security Council. While most of the early assessments from the C.I.A. had little more information than was available publicly, some of the more specialized corners of the intelligence world were producing sophisticated and chilling warnings.

In a report to the director of national intelligence, the State Department’s epidemiologist wrote in early January that the virus was likely to spread across the globe, and warned that the coronavirus could develop into a pandemic. Working independently, a small outpost of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Center for Medical Intelligence, came to the same conclusion. Within weeks after getting initial information about the virus early in the year, biodefense experts inside the National Security Council, looking at what was happening in Wuhan, started urging officials to think about what would be needed to quarantine a city the size of Chicago.

By mid-January there was growing evidence of the virus spreading outside China. Mr. Pottinger began convening daily meetings about the coronavirus. He alerted his boss, Robert C. O’Brien, the national security adviser.

The early alarms sounded by Mr. Pottinger and other China hawks were freighted with ideology — including a push to publicly blame China that critics in the administration say was a distraction as the coronavirus spread to Western Europe and eventually the United States.

And they ran into opposition from Mr. Trump’s economic advisers, who worried a tough approach toward China could scuttle a trade deal that was a pillar of Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign.

With his skeptical — some might even say conspiratorial — view of China’s ruling Communist Party, Mr. Pottinger initially suspected that President Xi Jinping’s government was keeping a dark secret: that the virus may have originated in one of the laboratories in Wuhan studying deadly pathogens. In his view, it might have even been a deadly accident unleashed on an unsuspecting Chinese population.

During meetings and telephone calls, Mr. Pottinger asked intelligence agencies — including officers at the C.I.A. working on Asia and on weapons of mass destruction — to search for evidence that might bolster his theory.

 

They didn’t have any evidence. Intelligence agencies did not detect any alarm inside the Chinese government that analysts presumed would accompany the accidental leak of a deadly virus from a government laboratory. But Mr. Pottinger continued to believe the coronavirus problem was far worse than the Chinese were acknowledging. Inside the West Wing, the director of the Domestic Policy Council, Joe Grogan, also tried to sound alarms that the threat from China was growing.

Mr. Pottinger, backed by Mr. O’Brien, became one of the driving forces of a campaign in the final weeks of January to convince Mr. Trump to impose limits on travel from China — the first substantive step taken to impede the spread of the virus and one that the president has repeatedly cited as evidence that he was on top of the problem.

In addition to the opposition from the economic team, Mr. Pottinger and his allies among the China hawks had to overcome initial skepticism from the administration’s public health experts.

Travel restrictions were usually counterproductive to managing biological outbreaks because they prevented doctors and other much-needed medical help from easily getting to the affected areas, the health officials said. And such bans often cause infected people to flee, spreading the disease further.

But on the morning of Jan. 30, Mr. Azar got a call from Dr. Fauci, Dr. Redfield and others saying they had changed their minds. The World Health Organization had declared a global public health emergency and American officials had discovered the first confirmed case of person-to-person transmission inside the United States.

The economic team, led by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, continued to argue that there were big risks in taking a provocative step toward China and moving to curb global travel. After a debate, Mr. Trump came down on the side of the hawks and the public health team. The limits on travel from China were publicly announced on Jan. 31.

Still, Mr. Trump and other senior officials were wary of further upsetting Beijing. Besides the concerns about the impact on the trade deal, they knew that an escalating confrontation was risky because the United States relies heavily on China for pharmaceuticals and the kinds of protective equipment most needed to combat the coronavirus.

But the hawks kept pushing in February to take a critical stance toward China amid the growing crisis. Mr. Pottinger and others — including aides to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo — pressed for government statements to use the term “Wuhan Virus.”

Mr. Pompeo tried to hammer the anti-China message at every turn, eventually even urging leaders of the Group of 7 industrialized countries to use “Wuhan virus” in a joint statement.

 

Others, including aides to Mr. Pence, resisted taking a hard public line, believing that angering Beijing might lead the Chinese government to withhold medical supplies, pharmaceuticals and any scientific research that might ultimately lead to a vaccine.

Mr. Trump took a conciliatory approach through the middle of March, praising the job Mr. Xi was doing.

 

That changed abruptly, when aides informed Mr. Trump that a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman had publicly spun a new conspiracy about the origins of Covid-19: that it was brought to China by U.S. Army personnel who visited the country last October.

 

Mr. Trump was furious, and he took to his favorite platform to broadcast a new message. On March 16, he wrote on Twitter that “the United States will be powerfully supporting those industries, like Airlines and others, that are particularly affected by the Chinese Virus.”

Mr. Trump’s decision to escalate the war of words undercut any remaining possibility of broad cooperation between the governments to address a global threat. It remains to be seen whether that mutual suspicion will spill over into efforts to develop treatments or vaccines, both areas where the two nations are now competing.

One immediate result was a free-for-all across the United States, with state and local governments and hospitals bidding on the open market for scarce but essential Chinese-made products. When the state of Massachusetts managed to procure 1.2 million masks, it fell to the owner of the New England Patriots, Robert K. Kraft, a Trump ally, to cut through extensive red tape on both sides of the Pacific to send his own plane to pick them up.

 

Dakle, imamo sve podatke, jasno i nedvosmisleno ali nećemo da talasamo jer:

 

1. berza nam je u tom trenutku na all time high rezultatima

2. treba nam trade deal sa Kinom na kome bismo jahali za 4 more years. 

 

btw...ovo bukvalno kao da je u Srbiji, neverovatno. I onda kada vidim oduševljavanje ljudi (čak i na ovom forumu) ovom narandžastom budaletinom....

[A sad]

14 minutes ago, NMX said:

 

 

 

ok, jeste NYT maltene glasilo američkih demokrata ali je tekst baš dobar 

 

 

btw...ovo bukvalno kao da je u Srbiji, neverovatno. I onda kada vidim oduševljavanje ljudi (čak i na ovom forumu) ovom narandžastom budaletinom....

 

Jbg ne mozemo bas svi da se odusevljavamo sa Berni Sandersom, Si Djinpingom i ostalim liderima svetske revolucije... 

[NMX]

3 minutes ago, A sad said:

 

Jbg ne mozemo bas svi da se odusevljavamo sa Berni Sandersom, Si Djinpingom i ostalim liderima svetske revolucije... 

 

Ako si uspeo mene da povežeš sa oduševljavanjem sa navedenma, svaka čast, promašio si prazan gol sa dva metra.

 

 

Jbg, nisam ti ja kriv što kritika oduševljavanja budaletinom od Trampa ne može da prođe bez da se kritičarima zalepi da podržavaju izlapelog Sandersa ili Si fucking Djinpinga. To je u startu pogrešna premisa. 

 

Uzmi pročitaj tekst umesto što lepiš etikete. 

[djura.net]

22 minutes ago, NMX said:

 

Dakle, imamo sve podatke, jasno i nedvosmisleno ali nećemo da talasamo

 

Nisam siguran kako si dosao do ovog zakljucka? O coronavirusu se jos mnogo toga nagadja, mislim da niko jos uvek nema sve podatke. A travel ban sa Kinom je svakako medju prvima u svetu uveden u USA (I bio kritikovan, naravno).

[handys]

26 minutes ago, NMX said:

Sjajan, sjaaaajan članak NY timesa

 

He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus

 

 

ok, jeste NYT maltene glasilo američkih demokrata ali je tekst baš dobar i koga ne mrzi, neka čita (podugačak je tekst)...koga mrzi, onda ovaj deo, posebno apropo jučerašnje priče da je ostatak sveta znao prave podatke iz Kine drugačije bi reagovao. Obratite pažnju na vremenske periode kada se ovo dešava

 

 

Dakle, imamo sve podatke, jasno i nedvosmisleno ali nećemo da talasamo jer:

 

1. berza nam je u tom trenutku na all time high rezultatima

2. treba nam trade deal sa Kinom na kome bismo jahali za 4 more years. 

 

btw...ovo bukvalno kao da je u Srbiji, neverovatno. I onda kada vidim oduševljavanje ljudi (čak i na ovom forumu) ovom narandžastom budaletinom....

 

Apsolutno je NYT u pravu za Trampa. Ko ima iluzije da jedan vrlo uspesan con man moze da bude nesto drugo kao predsednik, neka ima. Ali, isto je tako tacno da NYT nece u istom takvom clanku da zakaci Kongres, koji nije da nema poneka ovlascenja. Ako su oni shvatali ozbiljno opasnost, mogli su da budu glasniji, barem zbog javnosti. Ali nisu bili, nego se u januaru i februaru jos uvek bavilo impicmentom, Bajdenom, itd. Svi su ovo docekali spustenih gaca, samo je na Trampu naravno veca odgovornost, jer je veca vlast u njegovim rukama.

[NMX]

2 minutes ago, djura.net said:

Nisam siguran kako si dosao do ovog zakljucka? O coronavirusu se jos mnogo toga nagadja, mislim da niko jos uvek nema sve podatke. A travel ban sa Kinom je svakako medju prvima u svetu uveden u USA (I bio kritikovan, naravno).

 

Možda se nisam dobro izrazio, ne sve podatke u vezi sa virusom nego sve podatke za koje se kaže da nisu bili tu pa niko nije ozbiljno shvatio situaciju. Juče smo diskutovali kako eto WHO nije dala sve podatke (možeš misliti) a neko je budućnost ekonomije i zdravlja nacije poverio baš njima. I to od svih država na svetu US. Neće biti. 

 

Travel ban je uveden maltene 3 nedelje nakon što ova priča iz teksta počinje. Ali da, među prvima, tako je.

 

Just now, handys said:

 

Apsolutno je NYT u pravu za Trampa. Ko ima iluzije da jedan vrlo uspesan con man moze da bude nesto drugo kao predsednik, neka ima. Ali, isto je tako tacno da NYT nece u istom takvom clanku da zakaci Kongres, koji nije da nema poneka ovlascenja. Ako su oni shvatali ozbiljno opasnost, mogli su da budu glasniji, barem zbog javnosti. Ali nisu bili, nego se u januaru i februaru jos uvek bavilo impicmentom, Bajdenom, itd. Svi su ovo docekali spustenih gaca, samo je na Trampu naravno veca odgovornost, jer je veca vlast u njegovim rukama.

 

A tek ta gomila nesposobnjakovića....daleko i njima lepa kuća.

[bosMan_jr]

Koji je najrealniji scenario za sledeci vikend, da li neko mozda zna? Predsednik ako cita forum...ili premijerka da odgovore.

 

dobro, samo predsednik ipak

 

salu na stranu, zbog planova odredjenih, da li ima nesto vise osim nagadjanja? Hvala

[A sad]

2 minutes ago, NMX said:

 

Ako si uspeo mene da povežeš sa oduševljavanjem sa navedenma, svaka čast, promašio si prazan gol sa dva metra.

 

 

Jbg, nisam ti ja kriv što kritika oduševljavanja budaletinom od Trampa ne može da prođe bez da se kritičarima zalepi da podržavaju izlapelog Sandersa ili Si fucking Djinpinga. To je u startu pogrešna premisa. 

 

Uzmi pročitaj tekst umesto što lepiš etikete. 

 

Lud sam da citam tekst, kako ti sam kazes, nezvanicnog glasila demokratske stranke. I bez citanja znam sta tamo pise. 

 

To su isti oni koji su poceli da ga razapinju na krst kada je uveo travel ban sa Kinom, sve zajedno sa WHO. O cemu onda da pricamo?

[NMX]

Just now, A sad said:

 

To su isti oni koji su poceli da ga razapinju na krst kada je uveo travel ban sa Kinom, sve zajedno sa WHO. O cemu onda da pricamo?

 

Pričamo o tome da US nije tek tako saznala za implikacije virusa, njegove razmere i posledice nego da je administracija (barem njen pismeni i razumni deo) znao za evidentnu pretnju od samog početka januara. A ovde je juče bila diskusija kako je US mogla da zna šta se sprema kad je fuckin WHO smirivala stvari i stala na starnu Kine. 

 

Ništa strašno, Trampov fail, teraj dalje. 

[ZiS]

Opet zli gastosi otvorili nova zarista..."imali smo tesku noc"...drama na prvoj.

[Old 666]

8 minutes ago, bosMan_jr said:

Koji je najrealniji scenario za sledeci vikend, da li neko mozda zna? Predsednik ako cita forum...ili premijerka da odgovore.

 

dobro, samo predsednik ipak

 

salu na stranu, zbog planova odredjenih, da li ima nesto vise osim nagadjanja? Hvala

 

Planiraš lockout od četvrtka popodne do utorka ujutro. Ako bude manje od toga, doživiš kao neplaniran bonus i voila

[A sad]

1 minute ago, NMX said:

 

Pričamo o tome da US nije tek tako saznala za implikacije virusa, njegove razmere i posledice nego da je administracija (barem njen pismeni i razumni deo) znao za evidentnu pretnju od samog početka januara. A ovde je juče bila diskusija kako je US mogla da zna šta se sprema kad je fuckin WHO smirivala stvari i stala na starnu Kine. 

 

Ništa strašno, Trampov fail, teraj dalje. 

 

Ma nije tacno. Nije poenta u tome da li je znala ili nije, vec da li je mogla da reaguje ili ne. I to nije pitanje samo za USA, vec za citav demokratski svet. Ne mogu da se uvode sveobuhvatne restriktivne mere prema sopstvenom stanovnistvu iskljucivo na osnovnu obavestajnih informacija. To ne moze da prodje. U tome je poenta cele price. Naravno da su znali sta se desava u Kini, naravno da znaju i priblizno tacan broj zrtava i zarazenih, ali obavestajni podaci nisu nesto na osnovu cega mozes da zatvoris npr NjuJork ili Los Andjeles i da to prodje tek tako. Travel ban sa Kinom je bio probni balon za dalje mere, i kako je prosao? Odma se digla celokupna demokratska javnost pozivajuci se na WHO i izvestaje iz Kine. Tu je prica bila gotova.

 

Zbog toga se i potencira na ulozi Kine i WHO u celoj ovoj stvari. 

[handys]

27 minutes ago, bosMan_jr said:

Koji je najrealniji scenario za sledeci vikend, da li neko mozda zna? Predsednik ako cita forum...ili premijerka da odgovore.

 

dobro, samo predsednik ipak

 

salu na stranu, zbog planova odredjenih, da li ima nesto vise osim nagadjanja? Hvala

 

Evo sta kaze zamenik gradonacelnika:

 

"Ima smisla da policijski čas traje duže"
Gradonačelnik Zamenik gradonačelnika Beograda Zoran Radojičić izjavio je jutros da ima smisla očekivati da policijski čas sledećeg vikenda počne ranije, odnosno da traje duže.

 

https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2020&mm=04&dd=12&nav_category=12&nav_id=1674618

[NMX]

3 minutes ago, A sad said:

 

Ma nije tacno. Nije poenta u tome da li je znala ili nije, vec da li je mogla da reaguje ili ne. I to nije pitanje samo za USA, vec za citav demokratski svet. Ne mogu da se uvode sveobuhvatne restriktivne mere prema sopstvenom stanovnistvu iskljucivo na osnovnu obavestajnih informacija. To ne moze da prodje. U tome je poenta cele price. Naravno da su znali sta se desava u Kini, naravno da znaju i priblizno tacan broj zrtava i zarazenih, ali obavestajni podaci nisu nesto na osnovu cega mozes da zatvoris npr NjuJork ili Los Andjeles i da to prodje tek tako. Travel ban sa Kinom je bio probni balon za dalje mere, i kako je prosao? Odma se digla celokupna demokratska javnost pozivajuci se na WHO i izvestaje iz Kine. Tu je prica bila gotova.

 

Zbog toga se i potencira na ulozi Kine i WHO u celoj ovoj stvari. 

 

Da, Amerika nije mogla da reaguje

 

Ja bih rekao da je to samo univerzalni izgovor onih koji su fejlovali sa merama. Dežurni neprijatelj i propala birokratska agencija, gde ćeš bolje. 

 

Sa druge strane, Nemačka, Austrija, Koreja (bez obzira na veličinu) nisu stavljale gradove u kineske karantine, uveli (na vreme) mere koje je trebalo i postarali se da se iste poštuju i voila, eto rezultata. Doduše, Merkel, Kurc ili Čung Sju se nisu sprdali sa virusom, pričali kako samo što hlorokin nije sve to rešio, kako je to najsmešniji virus, kako će uz toplo vreme korona da miraculously go away by april i slične gluposti. 

[Miki28 Teoljub]

Kaze Vucko u utorak razgovor sa nasim bratom Pingom😁

[A sad]

6 minutes ago, NMX said:

 

Da, Amerika nije mogla da reaguje

 

Ja bih rekao da je to samo univerzalni izgovor onih koji su fejlovali sa merama. Dežurni neprijatelj i propala birokratska agencija, gde ćeš bolje. 

 

Sa druge strane, Nemačka, Austrija, Koreja (bez obzira na veličinu) nisu stavljale gradove u kineske karantine, uveli (na vreme) mere koje je trebalo i postarali se da se iste poštuju i voila, eto rezultata. Doduše, Merkel, Kurc ili Čung Sju se nisu sprdali sa virusom, pričali kako samo što hlorokin nije sve to rešio, kako je to najsmešniji virus, kako će uz toplo vreme korona da miraculously go away by april i slične gluposti. 

 

Naravno da nije, reagovala je kad i ostale zemlje, tek kad se virus pojavio na njenom tlu i doslo do katostrofe u Italiji. Nemacka je isto reagovala tek tada, nikakvih preventivnih restrikcija nije bilo. 

 

Uostalom, koliko su rezultati borbe protiv korone bolji u Nemackoj i Austriji od onih u USA? Da ti ustedim trud, veoma su slicni, nikakvih tu kolosalnih razlika nema da bi ti ovde nabijao kako su Nemacka i Austrija ne znam ti koliko bolje reagovale, nisu. 

[Azazelkg]

Barem svi imaju univerzalni izgovor za opravdanje posledica virusa: demokratija, demokratski svet, ljudska prava iako se iza nepravovremenog reagovanja krije njegovo veličanstvo: NOVAC....

[ZiS]

1 minute ago, Miki28 said:

Kaze Vucko u utorak razgovor sa nasim bratom Pingom😁

Ide lokcdown od nedelju dana...lagano 😁...Ko moze da poveruje da ova i ovakva pitanja postavljaju gledaoci...

[40Wins]

14 hours ago, urosg3 said:

ako su tinejdžeri, sve ih razumem, u tim godinama ceo svet je tvoj. Imam tinejdžera u kući duša me boli što je sapeta.

Ja mogu njih da razumem, al ne mogu da razumem njihove roditelje, nije ovo film, da se iskrades kroz prozor, pa se ujutru vratis i kao niko nije primetio hehehhh.

Koliko god da je tesko, klincima nikad lakse nije bilo da preguraju izolaciju, ima mnogo vise hrane nego 90ih, ima YT, igrice, Netflix, torenti, instagram, Tik Tok, Snapchat, Zoom, Moj rodjak sa sela na RTSu u 21h, pa šta više hoćeš, treba da izdrzis mesec i po dana u kuci/stanu, ne ides na radnu akciju da gradis Novi Beograd ili da te tera deda da bereš maline...

14 hours ago, Laki21 koji lebdi said:

 

Musko-zenski klinci? To nesto kao Cavinijesta? 🙂

Mesana ekipa devojcica i decaka + 1 ker, tipa pas kosarkas Badi.

[stefan81888]

1 minute ago, AgroLaki said:

Moj rodjak sa sela na RTSu u 21h

Jedina stvar koja me drži unutra.