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50 minutes ago, ters said:

 

Ako ne dobiju listice - prijavice da ih nisu dobili i traze ih ponovo, ili odu na glasanje "in person"

Kakve glasacke kutije izgublkjene u posti, ako su sve posiljke individualne? 

Kako ce Dems zazmiriti ukoliko su glasacki listici poslani registrovanim biracima?

 

Desavalo si i da ljudi ne mogu izaci sa posla da odu na glasanje, i da predsjednik i njegov press sekretar pokusavaju glasati u drzavi u kojoj im nije registrovano prebivaliste... Nepravilnosti je bilo i bice na svim stranama - ne vjerujem da ce biti u tolikoj mjeri da bi uticalo na ishod.
 

 

A ima i toga da npr Kalifornija jos nije izbrojala glasove da demokratskih prajmarisa, ili da je u NjuJorku, koliko, 25% glasova koji su isli postom proglaseno nevazecim. U drzavama gde je glasanje postom uobicajeno nece biti problema ni sada, nece biti ni u drzavama gde se vec unapred zna pobednik, ali ce biti u drzavama koje su swing a nemaju iskustva sa takvim procedurama. 

Sve to nema nikakve veze ako su rezultati jasni, ali ako odlucuje mali broj glasova ucice se u haos gde se nece znati pobednik mesecima i otvara pitanje validnosti rezultata. Eto uzmimo npr da je Kalifornija swing drzava(jasno je da nije, ali ona je dobar primer kako funkcionisu ti biracki odbori, a ima i znacajnih mesta na izborima za kongres koja su swing), kad bi dobili konacne rezultate, kad nisu u stanju da rese ni predizbore gde glasa mnogo manje ljudi. A postoje i drzave sa jos manje iskustva sa glasanjem postom koje stvarno jesu swing. Masovno glasanje postom dovodi u pitanje regularnost izbora, ako su rezultati neizvesni.

 

Imamo primer ove godine iz Poljske, gde je vlast zelela da omoguci siroko glasanje postom za vreme korone. Opozicija se pobunila tvrdeci da bi takvi rezultati bili nelegalni, cak su i zapretili bojkotom. Izlaz je pronadjen u odlaganju izbora da bi se izbeglo glasanje postom. 

 

Jos nijedni senatski/kongresni izbori u USA gde su glasovi postom imali veliki uticaj nisu zavrseni bez odlaska na sud. Nikom ne treba takva frka u predsednickim izborima, da se pobednik ne zna mesecima. Ili mozda nekome bas to treba. 

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3 minutes ago, ters said:

 

Ako ne dobiju listice - prijace se da ih nisu dobili i traze ih ponovo, ili odu na glasanje "in person"

nema dovoljno vremena za to.

3 minutes ago, ters said:

Kakve glasacke kutije izgublkjene u posti, ako su sve posiljke individualne? 

Three tubs of absentee ballots that never reached voters were discovered in a postal center outside Milwaukee. At least 9,000 absentee ballots requested by voters were never sent, and others recorded as sent were never received. Even when voters did return their completed ballots in the mail, thousands were postmarked too late to count — or not at all.

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On Wednesday, the commission received a phone call from a postal worker in Milwaukee who said three bins of absentee ballots had been located that had never reached their destinations, mostly in Oshkosh and nearby Appleton. The number of ballots in the bins was not clear.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/us/politics/wisconsin-election-absentee-coronavirus.html

 

3 minutes ago, ters said:

 

Kako ce Dems zazmiriti ukoliko su glasacki listici poslani registrovanim biracima?

 

 

greskom 🙂

 

 

A loophole in the new law granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants could allow hundreds of thousands of people to fraudulently register to vote in New York, according to critics, the state Board of Elections and the bill’s own sponsor.

“[A] major concern is that many states, including New York, use their DMVs to enroll voters. Since New York does not have voter-identification laws like the majority of other states do, this bill increases the potential for voter fraud,” state Sen. Republican ­Minority Leader John Flanagan (R–Suffolk) said Tuesday.

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CHICAGO — Illinois lawmakers are raising questions about the integrity of state elections after the secretary of state admitted hundreds of non-citizens were registered as voters, and could have cast ballots illegally in the 2018 election.

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BELLE PLAINE, Kan. -- A federal appeals court panel ruled Wednesday that Kansas can't require voters to show proof of citizenship when they register, dealing a blow to efforts by Republicans in several states who have pursued restrictive voting laws as a way of combating voter fraud.

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On Tuesday, the Dhillon Law Group, where I serve as an election law attorney, filed a lawsuit against the state of California. This lawsuit alleges that California is violating federal law by not ensuring that only citizens are on the state’s voting rolls. Three California voters brought this lawsuit: Roxanne Hoge, Ali Mazarei, and Corrin Rankin. Both Hoge and Mazarei are legal immigrants who earned the privilege to vote by becoming citizens of the United States.

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[[Povukao izjavu o primaries - jer ne poznajem sistem dovoljno]]

 

Kada nabrojaste ovako, izgleda kao VELIKI problem - kojeg u stvari nema:

 

 

49 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Three tubs of absentee ballots that never reached voters were discovered in a postal center outside Milwaukee. At least 9,000 absentee ballots requested by voters were never sent, and others recorded as sent were never received. Even when voters did return their completed ballots in the mail, thousands were postmarked too late to count — or not at all.

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On Wednesday, the commission received a phone call from a postal worker in Milwaukee who said three bins of absentee ballots had been located that had never reached their destinations, mostly in Oshkosh and nearby Appleton. The number of ballots in the bins was not clear.

 

OK - balot nije poslan tako da ga tih 9000 glasaca nece dobiti na vrijeme - 3. Novembra mogu da se zapute na biracko mjesto i glasaju direktno kao i da nisu trazili balot.

 

49 minutes ago, Angelia said:

A loophole in the new law granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants could allow hundreds of thousands of people to fraudulently register to vote in New York, according to critics, the state Board of Elections and the bill’s own sponsor.

“[A] major concern is that many states, including New York, use their DMVs to enroll voters. Since New York does not have voter-identification laws like the majority of other states do, this bill increases the potential for voter fraud,” state Sen. Republican ­Minority Leader John Flanagan (R–Suffolk) said Tuesday.

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CHICAGO — Illinois lawmakers are raising questions about the integrity of state elections after the secretary of state admitted hundreds of non-citizens were registered as voters, and could have cast ballots illegally in the 2018 election.

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BELLE PLAINE, Kan. -- A federal appeals court panel ruled Wednesday that Kansas can't require voters to show proof of citizenship when they register, dealing a blow to efforts by Republicans in several states who have pursued restrictive voting laws as a way of combating voter fraud.

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On Tuesday, the Dhillon Law Group, where I serve as an election law attorney, filed a lawsuit against the state of California. This lawsuit alleges that California is violating federal law by not ensuring that only citizens are on the state’s voting rolls. Three California voters brought this lawsuit: Roxanne Hoge, Ali Mazarei, and Corrin Rankin. Both Hoge and Mazarei are legal immigrants who earned the privilege to vote by becoming citizens of the United States.

 

A na koji nacin se glasac identifikuje na birackom mjestu "in-person"  - da nije pokazivanjem vozacke dozvole (a imaju je i ilegalni imigranti)?

 

Dakle ako je ilegalni imigrant na birackom spisku zato sto je New York ili druga drzava dodala sve DMV korisnike na isti, i ako ima vozacku dozvolu, sta ga sprecava da glasa direktno na birackom mjestu??? 

 

HAOS ce biti svakako, ne zbog nacina glasanja, nego zbog polarizacije izmedju ucesnika gdje ce porazeni uciniti sve da pobudi sumnju u rezultate. Sudovi ce zasjedati danima i sedmicama nakon izbora.

 

I da - u proslosti sam boravio u drugoj zemlji ilegalno, nakon isteka vize (drzavljanin BIH u Hrvatskoj 1995.  ocekujuci vizu za Kanadu), i zadnja stvar koja mi je padala na pamet je da se na bilo koji nacin registrujem u bilo kojoj drzavnoj organizaciji i skrecem paznju na sebe i rizikujem deportaciju.

 

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4 minutes ago, ters said:

OK - balot nije poslan tako da ga tih 9000 glasaca nece dobiti na vrijeme - 3. Novembra mogu da se zapute na biracko mjesto i glasaju direktno kao i da nisu trazili balot.

Problem je u tome sto vecina nece.

 

4 minutes ago, ters said:

A na koji nacin se glasac identifikuje na birackom mjestu "in-person"  - da nije pokazivanjem vozacke dozvole (a imaju je i ilegalni imigranti)?

 

Dakle ako je ilegalni imigrant na birackom spisku zato sto je New York ili druga drzava dodala sve DMV korisnike na isti, i ako ima vozacku dozvolu, sta ga sprecava da glasa direktno na birackom mjestu??? 

 

 

HAOS ce biti svakako, ne zbog nacina glasanja, nego zbog polarizacije izmedju ucesnika gdje ce porazeni uciniti sve da pobudi sumnju u rezultate. Sudovi ce zasjedati danima i sedmicama nakon izbora.

 

Ne izdaju sve Dems drzave vozacke ilegalcima, cisto da znas. Poenta je da je odgovornost drzavne administracije da proveri drzavljanstvo pre nego nekog stave na listu registrovanih glasaca, a neki to ne rade (californija recimo dokazano), ili ako se neko odselio treba da ga skinu (a oni to ne rade). Glasanje postom omogucava daleko veci broj da glasa anonimno. Ne racunajuci Californiju, koja oslobadja krivice ilegalca ako je greskom dosao na listu glasaca, ostali uglavnom to tretiraju kao krivicno delo, i kaznjivo.

Sta mislis da li je lakse izaci na glasanje i pociniti krivicno delo ili to obaviti postom, gde uvek mozes da tvrdis da nisi ti?

 

Poenta je da se sa masovnim glasanjem postom povecava kolicina haosa, i mogucnost za muljanje. To ne znaci da i regularnim glasanjem nije bilo muljanja, samo je mnogo teze, i teze prozivati rezultate. 

 

btw komentar da ces "greskom" kao ilegalac doci na listu glasaca je definitivno sarkazam, oni to rutinski rade.

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43 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Ne izdaju sve Dems drzave vozacke ilegalcima, cisto da znas. Poenta je da je odgovornost drzavne administracije da proveri drzavljanstvo pre nego nekog stave na listu registrovanih glasaca, a neki to ne rade (californija recimo dokazano), ili ako se neko odselio treba da ga skinu (a oni to ne rade).

 

Mislis ako je neko preselio u Washington DC i to prijavio kao residence, ( a javno tvrdi da mu boraviste u New York-u), ne bi trebao biti na listi biraca na Floridi?

Steta pa nije Kalifornija u pitanju, jer ovako ispade da je ovo neko muljanje i potencijalno krivicno djelo....

 

 

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32 minutes ago, ters said:

 

Mislis ako je neko preselio u Washington DC, ( i javno tvrdi da mu boraviste u New York-u), trebao bi biti skinut sa liste biraca na Floridi? Steat pa nije Kalifornija u pitanju, jer ovako ispade da je pocinio krivicno djelo?

 

 

Mozes da imas vise kuca, ali da glasas mozes biti registrovan samo u jednoj drzavi, tamo gde se prijavljujes kao rezidentan :classic_biggrin: Sto je doticna osoba uradila na Floridi. Znaci nema greske. Dokaz za to ti je da se covek odjavio iz NY, znaci bold ti je netacan.

Nema krivicnog dela.

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In September 2019, President Trump registered to vote in Florida, but used an out-of-state address - the White House's. The Washington Post reported Monday that first lady Melania Trump made the same mistake on her vote registration too

 

Ne znam da li je krivicno djelo, vjerujem ti da nije...Neko muljanje jeste jer ovdje pise legal residence 1600 Pennsylvania, Washington DC, i pokusaj registracije za glasanje na Floridi,...  Nije bas svako u stanju da popuni formular, niti da se suzdrzi od izjava "I live in Manhatn"...

 

 

 

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Ne znam da li je krivicno djelo, vjerujem ti da nije...Neko muljanje jeste jer ovdje pise legal residence 1600 Pennsylvania, Washington DC, i pokusaj registracije za glasanje na Floridi,...  Nije bas svako u stanju da popuni formular, niti da se suzdrzi od izjava "I live in Manhatn"...

 

 

 

:classic_biggrin: Ok neke od drzava dozvoljavaju da glasas sa privremene adrese - iliti out of state, on je pokusao da se registruje dok je jos bio u tranzitu dok je premestao prijave iz NY na Floridu. florida ne dozvoljava out of state voting, osim absentee 

on je prijavu ispravio mesec dana kasnije kad je zvanicno postao rezident Floride. Znaci nikakvo muljanje.

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Kako se nekad razgovaralo o uticaju illegalne emigracije na USA i na izbore (cisto da znamo zasto se DNC toliko borio protiv pitanja o drzavljanstvu u cenzusu):

 

Aside from the burdens posed by illegal immigrants on crime, detention facilities, job security, taxes, wages, social security, medicare, Medicaid, violence, terrorism and drug and human trafficking, illegal aliens are slowly eroding the power of American voters.

Though illegal immigrants dont have an effect on the popular vote, they are changing the electoral vote, and this change benefits Obama.

Hispanic voters historically vote Democratic, and as reported by USA Today in July, Hispanics will become decisive swing votes in future elections.

With the Hispanic population set to double to 30 percent by 2042 because of relatively higher birth rates and immigration and with leaders like Obama and McCain who support amnesty for illegal aliens this traditionally Democratic-leaning population will likely tip future elections in favor of Democrats.

Indeed, the effects of Hispanic voters on this election are already being felt. A Pew Research Center survey showed 66 percent of Hispanics favored Obama to McCains 23 percent.

USA Today reported the Hispanic vote is now large enough to determine outcomes in key battleground states, like Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Florida.

Familial and cultural ties effectively concentrate legal and illegal immigrants together with ethnically similar foreign-born populations. Though this is not the only factor in the redistribution of seats in the House of Representatives, it is a major contributor. And with 70 percent of the foreign-born population living in just six states, the Center for Immigration Studies expects this rearrangement to continue for decades, resulting in changes to the U.S. House of Representatives and Electoral College.

The distribution of seats in the House is referred to as apportionment, which is based on states total population and includes illegal immigrants. A national census is taken every 10 years to apportion seats in the House, but as CIS reported, the Constitution offers no method for apportionment, nor a method for compiling total population for apportionment. Currently, the resident population includes illegal aliens.

Illegal immigration played a significant role in the redistribution of seats in the past. In 1990, 12 seats were redistributed, and in 2000, 16 seats were redistributed. Louisiana was one of the states adversely affected.

In 2000, four states either lost a seat or didnt gain a seat they otherwise would have, and five states had one seat fewer than it otherwise would have.

Five states actually gained seats because of illegal aliens. Nine redistributed seats went to California alone.

These non-citizens also change the landscape of the electoral map because the Electoral College is based on the size of congressional delegations.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/column-illegal-immigration-affects-electoral-votes/

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7 hours ago, Angelia said:

:classic_biggrin: Ok neke od drzava dozvoljavaju da glasas sa privremene adrese - iliti out of state, on je pokusao da se registruje dok je jos bio u tranzitu dok je premestao prijave iz NY na Floridu. florida ne dozvoljava out of state voting, osim absentee 

on je prijavu ispravio mesec dana kasnije kad je zvanicno postao rezident Floride. Znaci nikakvo muljanje.

 

Cim se potrosi vrijeme dodje se do istine da je greska moguca - osim ako su u pitanju "oni drugi" - za njih nemamo vremena kontrolisati podatke, tako da "oni| ne mogu biti u "tranzitu" niti mogu napraviti gresku prilikom prijave. "Oni"muljaju, "mi" grijesimo i onda spremno ispravljamo gresku kada nam ne prodje kako smo namjerili.

 

I "vi" i "oni" ste krenuli na opasan put i unistavate i ono malo  povjerenja sto j ostalo, Povratka sa tog puta uskoro nece biti. Ja srecom nisam u tom vozu, niti bih pristao da se ukrcam. Birajte sebi predsjednika po mjeri.

 

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Sud u Pensilvaniji tražio od Trampa i Republikanaca da dostave dokaze o "velikoj krađi koja se sprema glasanjem poštom". Rok im je bio petak, koliko vidim nema ništa u medijima znači opet uhvaćeni u laži.

 

Donald i Melanija tražili da glasaju putem pošte, no comment 🙂

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8 hours ago, ters said:

 

Cim se potrosi vrijeme dodje se do istine da je greska moguca - osim ako su u pitanju "oni drugi" - za njih nemamo vremena kontrolisati podatke, tako da "oni| ne mogu biti u "tranzitu" niti mogu napraviti gresku prilikom prijave. "Oni"muljaju, "mi" grijesimo i onda spremno ispravljamo gresku kada nam ne prodje kako smo namjerili.

 

I "vi" i "oni" ste krenuli na opasan put i unistavate i ono malo  povjerenja sto j ostalo, Povratka sa tog puta uskoro nece biti. Ja srecom nisam u tom vozu, niti bih pristao da se ukrcam. Birajte sebi predsjednika po mjeri.

 

Aha Californija imala samo 1.5 mill u tranzitu, mala greska :classic_biggrin: godinama. Nisu ispravili za mesec dana kad su videli gresku, morali da ih tuze na sudu ....

Poredis neuporedivo.

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Mene fascionira teza "mi/oni". Da li je moguce da niko ne shvata da to ne postoji, postoji samo US koja ce da glasa. Trenutno je inficirana social/fasho/komunizmom, koji zahvaljujuci nekompetenciji, uglavnom demokrata, razaraju jedan prilicno posten system. Da li ce nepostenje pobediti? Ja se nadam ne!

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tuzno i zalosno ili smesno jer je providno...

kakogod to zvucalo veci rasisti ne postoje od onih koji svaki dan 24/7 podvlace boju koze kao CNN:

 

During her primary run for the Democratic nomination, Harris continuously made time for young girls and boys of color....

"You always keep that chin up, you hear me?" Harris told a shy young Black girl named Maya ....

 

J.Biden: "All across the nation, little girls woke up, especially little Black and brown girls, who so often feel overlooked and undervalued in their communities, but today -- today, just maybe, they're seeing themselves for the first time in a new way. As the stuff of presidents and vice presidents".....

"It just feels like Black girls like me can run for class president, Black girls like me can go for the big things in life like she did," 14-year-old Paris Bond told CNN in an interview ...

 

Ovo su samo delici celog ogromnog teksta gde je svaka peta rec slicna ovim recima koje su ovde bold.

https://us.cnn.com/2020/08/15/politics/kamala-harris-young-women-of-color/index.html

 

 

...ne preporucujem citanje nikome ko ne moze da izdrzi preteranu patetiku i bezobrazluk

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8 hours ago, Klotzen said:

 

Donald i Melanija tražili da glasaju putem pošte, no comment 🙂

 

Kada nemaju vremena da "skoknu" do Floride, osim petkom, subotom i nedeljom na golf i privatne vecerinke sa raznim stranim i domacim drzavnicima i funkcionerima. 

 

Tramp je inace podsticao u Floridi "absentee" misleci da je to drugacije od "mail in voting," a po Fl zakonu je isto. Tupson. Kada je skapirao, uklanja kutije za sortiranje poste. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Baby said:

Kada nemaju vremena da "skoknu" do Floride, osim petkom, subotom i nedeljom na golf i privatne vecerinke sa raznim stranim i domacim drzavnicima i funkcionerima. 

Ovo si napisala kao da je to losa stvar, a u sustini iz celog texta isijava ljubomora, koja se na zalost vidi kod svih novih demokrata. Sve, cela dems kampanja je, ja hocu ono sto su oni zaradili, ili nasledili. Nema veze sto nikada nista nisam imao, ali sam sve svoje novce ostavljao u lokalnom sports bar-u, ili strip club-u. 

Da sad postavim jedno retoricko pitanje. Zbog cega je problem sto neko ima residence u Floridi, a zivi u NY? Ne razumem, zasto je to losa stvar?

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Ipak su demokrate uradile dobru stvar sa Kamalom, jer im ona sada pokriva sve nijanse od tamno smedje do svetlo braon,

a pritom udata za jevreja...

 

da su mogli da nadju nekoga ko pokriva jos vise nijansi, nekoga ko potice od irsko/italijansko/hispano/arapsko/sibirsko/amazonskog porekla...a da je udat ili ozenjen za recimo kineza ili japanca - to bi bio posao!

 

 

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2 hours ago, Baby said:

 

Kada nemaju vremena da "skoknu" do Floride, osim petkom, subotom i nedeljom na golf i privatne vecerinke sa raznim stranim i domacim drzavnicima i funkcionerima. 

 

Tramp je inace podsticao u Floridi "absentee" misleci da je to drugacije od "mail in voting," a po Fl zakonu je isto. Tupson. Kada je skapirao, uklanja kutije za sortiranje poste. 

 

 

 

Pa da ima i trunku doslednosti iz protesta ne bi ni glasao. A ne da suketa par meseci o kradji putem glasanja postom a onda se prijavi na isto. Komedija od coveka :)

 

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3 hours ago, Baby said:

 

Tramp je inace podsticao u Floridi "absentee" misleci da je to drugacije od "mail in voting," a po Fl zakonu je isto. Tupson. Kada je skapirao, uklanja kutije za sortiranje poste. 

 

 

To sto je Florida promenila ime, ga ne cini tupsonom, posto vecina drzava pravi razliku izmedju ta dva.

 

55 minutes ago, Klotzen said:

 

Pa da ima i trunku doslednosti iz protesta ne bi ni glasao. A ne da suketa par meseci o kradji putem glasanja postom a onda se prijavi na isto. Komedija od coveka 🙂

 

Alo, covek se prijavio u septembru 2019, kao neko ko nije fizicki na Floridi u vreme glasanja, sto je savrseno u redu - kao sto glasaju mnogi gradjani koji nisu trenutno na svojoj prijavljenoj adresi za glasanje. Sto se razlikuje od podrzavati da svi gradjani glasaju postom.

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