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🚴‍♂️Thibaut Pinot i Guillaume Martin - velike SrBende. sta sve nece covek procitati na ovom forumu...

I mean, ATP's DEPTH!!! in late 1990s/early 2000s must have been almost as impressive as WTA's one now.

https://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/tenis/rafael-nadal-infiltraciones-y-dopaje-ciclistas-abren-el-debate-678291 Nadal: “I can't continue competing with my foot asleep, we have to find a solution. I would love to continue racing, so next week I am going to talk to several doctors and look at various options. I will receive a treatment and I hope it will help me, ”he indicated. Well, those statements did not go down well in cycling and several well-known cyclists on the planet have spoken on the subject, because they do not agree with that. Against the wall In cycling, for a long time, the topic of infiltrations has been prohibited, they cannot be carried out, so the Nadal topic did not have a good reaction. “Heroes of today…” wrote Thibaut Pinot, after playing the subject. Nadal said in Paris he couldn't answer how many times he had infiltrated. "It's better that you don't know," Nadal replied to the question. Another recognized cyclist, the French, Guillaume Martin, also referred to the subject. "What Nadal did would have been impossible on the bike, and I think that's normal," he told L'Equipe. And he added: "If you're sick or injured, you don't run, you don't compete (...) They go through heroes, but they are 'substances' to help the pain go away." Martin is one of those who have attacked doping in sport, thanks to the philosophy that is formed in cycling of zero tolerance. In the world of medicine, they do not look favorably on the use of infiltrations for athletes. “You have to know what they infiltrate it with. And the issue is that in cycling that is prohibited, ”Fredy Avella, a doctor, told EL TIEMPO. “In sports there are therapeutic use authorizations. It is clear that it is an advantage for him over the rival because it helps to avoid pain, "said the doctor.

“Today’s heroes…”: Thibaut Pinot and Guillaume Martin question Rafael Nadal’s use of anaesthetic injections during French Open “To say that the limit is between what is prohibited and authorised, that does not seem to me the right criterion." https://road.cc/content/news/pinot-and-martin-question-nadal-injections-293447 “Today’s heroes…”: Thibaut Pinot and Guillaume Martin question Rafael Nadal’s use of anaesthetic injections during French Open “We see too many athletes using this kind of practice in recent weeks,” said the Groupama-FDJ rider “When you have an injection or you use cortisone, there are at least three weeks of effects. Some do [it] just before the races. You are out of competition, but the effect is there,” he told L’Équipe at the time(link is external). “I'm the complete opposite of all of that, but we're still in two-speed cycling I think. “A guy who has a TUE has no place being on a bicycle. He is not fit to compete." “If a cyclist does the same thing, it’s already forbidden,” Cofidis rider Martin said. “But even if it weren’t, everyone would call him doped because there is such a cultural background, such connotations attached to the bike. “While people praise Nadal for being able to go this far in pain. I believe that [AC Milan forward] Zlatan Ibrahimovic also spoke about his knee injections. “They pass for heroes because they go far in pain, but in fact, they use substances to go far in pain and again, it’s very borderline. “The winner on the bike, in particular that of the Tour de France, even if there is no element behind it, he is systematically accused of doping.” “The UCI anti-doping regulations, for me are a minimum. There are plenty of things that are allowed and that I forbid myself. It’s the whole question of grey areas, the use of certain drugs that are normally used to treat cancers, multiple sclerosis for example. “I don’t see myself taking this kind of thing to be a better cyclist. Yet it is allowed. The anti-doping agencies are always behind the times, so I don’t think you have to wait for them to position themselves to adopt their own positions. “It is up to everyone to build their own ethics. I accept that sometimes my results are less good because I follow this ethic, but nevertheless I remain consistent with myself and I am satisfied with that.”

mislim da je on jos pre vise od deceniju totalno rascistio s sobom da ne bi da upotrebljava "injekciju" (shvatiti ovo kao opstu metaforu) da bi postigao odredjene sportske rezultate. Kao sto rece ovaj biciklista u clanku L'equipea. Umesto ubacivanja u telo svakojakih "supstanci" koje bi mu pomogle da postigne bolji performans, odlucio je da "izbaci" iz tela sve ono sto ometa njegovo telo da pruzi maksimum (ono cime se telo "zamajava" umesto da trosi elergiju na sportski performans), plus i da da svom telu najbolji moguci "input". Dalje poboljsanje performasi je islo preko mentalnih vezbi (posto je opste poznato da ljudi mogu da izdrze vece napore i postignu bolje rezultate ako su u posebnom mentalnom stanju).

da li da iz tvog posta zakljucim da bi ti radije podrzao nekoga ko se dopinguje nego nekog ko bi se hranio bio proizvodima? ili da u najmanju ruku smatras da su dopingovanje i prehrana bio proizvodima dva ekstrema, podjednako zla i naopaka?

all this criticism, it really hurts, doctor. wait, I must have something to ease your pain in there

"These heroes who choose performance at the expense of their bodies and at the cost of physical problems so bad they must put them to sleep. Is this the model we want for ourselves and our children?” But he does all this for the love of the game, right?

Nadal's injections in question (AFP) By revealing that he had daily recourse to injections of anesthetic product at RG, Nadal opened the debate on this legal medical practice, between ethics, anti-doping regulations "No TUE committee would give a TUE for the reason of Nadal" "The use of anesthetics is a practice that has certainly become more frequent since this year since it is all that is possible to limit pain locally.“, comments for AFP Dr. François Lhuissier, president of the French Society of Medicine for Exercise and Sport (SFMES). An athlete could hwr use corticosteroids in competition, possibly injected, if he had a TUE Authorization. “No TUE committee would give a TUE for the reason of Nadal. TUEs are not given to allow athletes to practice their sport again, but to return to a normal level of health." In athletics, "these are not at all common practices, at least in France", told AFP Dr. Antoine Bruneau, doctor of the French teams at the French federation. “Whether it is the use of an anesthetic or the injection method, both are not common at the time of competition." "putting a nerve on a lower limb to sleep would cause problems in terms of balance, gestural control. There is a diff. btw running with translation and slides of the tennis and the quality of foot needed in athletics race ... it seems to me hardly possible in principle." “The injection of anesthetics will have no consequences on his health, believes Mr. Luissier "Pain is a natural alarm signal of the human body,” recalls Mr. Bruneau. I wonder if it is beneficial to anesthetize during a competition by depriving an athlete of sensation..." Guillaume Martin on Nadal's infiltrations: "I find it difficult to understand" The climber of the Cofidis team, G. Martin, says he is embarrassed by the use of infiltrations in competition in certain sports and pleads for a standardization of the rules. https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Article/Guillaume-martin-a-propos-des-infiltrations-de-nadal-j-ai-du-mal-a-comprendre/1337264 “Tennis has enough parameters similar with cyclism, it is a endurance sport with accelerations, so I think the same products may have a doping effect. I do not see why there would be different rules. "They pass for heroes... but in fact they use substances to alleviate pain." "It's up to everyone to build their own ethics. I accept that sometimes my results are less good because I follow this ethic. I stay consistent with myself and I'm satisfied with that. The process of telling oneself that I will take a pill to be better makes me feel uncomfortable The injections that pose questions (Lefebvre, L'Equipe) Thibaut Pinot tweeted, w/ cynicism: “Today’s heroes…” above Nadal's answer to Q about the no of injections It didn't take much to trigger a controversy over the use of a protocol yet authorized by anti-doping legislation. Nadal: "I have a very good relation with my body" via L'Equipe (The very good relationship on display in the gentle, caressing touches he's doing to his body at the start of every point.) - Never been afraid that the foot wake up ...? "No, because the anesthesia in the nerves lasts more or less seven hours. "I played all the matches without pain! "I didn't want to talk about it at the time, but in SF with Djokovic in 2021 I couldn't be competitive anymore. evo ga, ponovo izgovori za poraze... znaci, da su mu prosle godine uspricali nesto protiv bolova u kom god delu tela bilo (ukljucujuci misice koji su se zamorili u dugom mecu), on bi pobedio. ostali tensieri moraju da se sami prirodno izbore s bolovima u telu kada se mec oduzi, Rafica kuka jer mu eto prosle godine nije palo na pamet da radi ovo sto ove godine radi. Pitam se samo zasto onda ne dozvoljavaju igracima da uzimaju MTO kad dobiju grceve u telu (pa ih boli u raznim delovima tela)? Cemu onda banovanje Sharapove za meldonijum: ona je samo htela da bude kompetitivna i ima bolje snabdevanje svojih celija kiseonikom!

objasnjenje nije dao Djokovic, vec neki lekar. A AO je Novakov omiljeni turnir (do ove godine), kao sto je RG Nadalov. u Nadalovoj igri na RG se nije videla razlika, u Novakovoj na AO jeste.

postoji bitna razlika: kad se Novak povredio videla se drasticna promena u igri: izgubio je 3. i 4. set protiv Fritza (a pre toga ga je rutinirao). S Raonicem (sledeci mec) i Zverevim (mec posle toga) se takodje videla drasticna promena u igri. Negde sam videla neki tekst gde pominju da je naprslina misica bila 0,4cm, a cini mi se da je svojevremeno pisano da je orijentacija naprsnuca bila bitna i da je u Novakovom slucaju bila u pitanju povoljnija orijetacija, te da je zbog toga bilo moguce dovesti ga u stanje da moze da izgura turnir (posle cega je napravio pauzu od gotovo 2 meseca, nije 7 dana kasnije isao na naredni turnir (kao neki). Takve stvari se nisu videle u igri Nadala tokom ovog RG, ma koliko on pricao na sva zvona o anesteziranom stopalu, nekroticnim delovima stopala, "mozda mi je ovo poslednji mec u karijeri" i ostalo. Inace, na jednom USO je Nadal igrao s naprsnucem u trbusnim misicima, svojevremeno je bilo i receno koliko je bilo to naprsnuce inicijalno, a koliko je poraslo do kraja turnira.

https://honestsport.com/2020/06/08/esp-tennis-doping/ Spanish tennis’ long doping history Testosterone use dates back to a Davis Cup tie in 1959 and there have been twelve doping cases in Spanish tennis since 1996, one involving a minor.

Fedu se jedno mora priznati: nikad se nije folirao da covek zeli da osvaja turnire i obara rekorde. Niti je izigravao naivnu, skromnu frajlu, "jednog od nas" na 6 miliona eura skupoj jahti. Ne secam se ni da je ikada isticao da je iz dobre porodice koja neguje prave vrednosti i koja ga je ispravno vaspitala (to se podrazumevalo, nije morao covek da to istice, onako "skromno").

Novak je odmah posle poraza od Nadala naredni dan odleteo za Beograd (nije ostao u Parizu), a Ivanisevic je ostao na RG da igra turnir legendi. Naravno da nisu razgovarali o mecu odmah posle meca (jer je bila prosla ponoc, ko zna u koje doba je Novak zavrsio sve potrebne rutine posle meca i otisao na spavanje). Termin meca su odredile TV koje su platile pare za prava, pisala je vec ciao o tome sta je sve bilo u igri. Inace, intervju s Ivanisevicem je od pre nekoliko dana, dat nekih 2 dana posle meca. Sto se tice sezone na travi, nesto mi je bez veze da Novak ne igra ni jedan turnir pre Wimbldona u godini kada nije imao dovoljno meceva i kad nema pojma kako ce mu izgledati sezona posle Wimbldona i gde ce moci da igra. To mi je veci problem nego sta je Goran rekao Ozmu u intervjuu - da li je analizirao mec s Novakom.

According to our information, the duration of unavailability of Alexander Zverev is estimated between six and eight weeks. Package for Wimbledon, he hopes to be back in early August with the United States tour. His goal: to be restored for the US Open. ne znam odakle im informacije, nisam naisla na nesto u nemackim medijima.

(ocigledno) Nadalovi fanovi iz Srbije opanjkavali Wish &Go strancima, pa izasli neki tekstovi gde su ih optuzili da su rekli da se Nadal dopingovao. Evo ih sad ova dvojica se ubise pravdajuci se jer je verovatno Nadalova PR mashinerija pokrenuta, verovatno su kontaktirali SK i zapretiili tuzbama (a ovoj dvojici je mozda i posao ugrozen), mozda i SK izgubi pravo da prenosi teniske meceve... Svi znamo kako se provede onaj koji stane Rafici na zulj. Tako da se zahvalite kolegama Nadalovim fanovima ako ova dvojica zglajznu i vise ne bude prenosa tenisa na SK. Sto rekao Janik Schneider: onaj ko hoce da publikuje nesto o dopingovanju Nadala mora da bude siguran da ima iza svojih ledja fenomenalan pravni tim i finansijsku pozadinu.

Does this look like a guy with an injured foot frozen with chemicals, or a guy hopped up on adrenaline or something else? Somehow this whole story doesn't seem to add up.

malcice je drugacija situacija. Novak je bukvalno na terenu imao probleme s disanjem zbog alergija, sto se naravno odrazavalo na njegovu igru (kao sto i Kvitova uvek lose igra u doba kad je koncentracija polena vrlo visoka ili je visoka temperatura jer ima astmu (neki oblik ili makar probleme s alergijama)). On i danas ima probleme s vrucinom (samo u manjem obimu), bez obzira na izbacivanje glutena i strogu kontrolu onog sto jede i kako tenira itd. To svaki Nvakov fan zna (kad pogledas vremensku prognozu i vidis da Novak igra po najvecoj vrucini - odmah znas da ce biti mucenja - da ima nekakva opklada na ovo svaki Novakov fan bi sve vreme dobijao na kladionici). Verovatno je zbog sveg ovog i postao malo hipohondar. Inace, od onog incidenta s Rodikom na USO Novak vrrrrlo retko govori o svojim povredama, osim kad su one vrlo ocigledne, a ni tada ne ubacuje pricu o povredi u svaku drugu recenicu i onda kad ga niko ni ne pita o tome (kao sto je Nadal radio na ovom RG - bilo je smesno i tragikomicno slusati ga). Takodje, vecina igraca izbegava da govori o svojim povredama (da ne bi davali informacije koje protivniku mogu koristiti kako kod pripremanja strategije, tako i kod podizanja samopouzdanja). Jedino Rafici puna usta povrede, a onda izadje na teren i igra kao Nadal je na ovom RG prevazisao Endija i njegov nastup na KZS na onom AO kad je manje-vise nagovestio penzionisanje, pa mu onda ovi s AO pripremili onaj video (gde su igraci govorili lepe stvari o njemu i manje-vise mu pozelel lepu penziju), na sta je Endi bio iznenadjen-i-uvredjen.

Inace, rusi vam sneska (da Novak dopingom postize izdrzljivost i fleksibilnost u 35. godini zivota) to sto je ostao bez gasa protiv ADF u MC i protiv Rubljova na SO (plus ne bas ubedljiv performans u prethodnim mecevima) i sto mu je trebalo vise sedmica da udje u takmicarski ritam. Takodje, u mecu protiv Schwartzmana nije briljirao, imao je izlepljeno rame onim trakama, pa onda ne iznenadjuje sto mu servis i FH nisu bili na nivou (a od toga ide dalji raspad igre). Dok u slucaju Rafice vidimo da sto se mec vise blizi 4. satu igranja to on sve vise snage ima i sve jace udara FH (npr.). A obozavam i ove teorije zavere o Novakovoj povredi trbusnog misica. Samo mi nije jasno sta je to konkretno Novak hteo da postigne time sto je posle 2 dobijena seta izfolirao povredu protiv Fritza (od svih ljudi), pa onda tako folirajuci se izgubio 2 seta da bi na kraju ipak osvojio 5. set i pobedio. Nikako da shvatim logiku teoreticara ove zavere. Sta je to konkretno postigao foliranjem? Da igra 5 umesto 3 seta jer mu nije bilo dovoljno tenisa i jer je to vrlo pametno raditi tokom GS turnira, kad se cuva svaki atom snage za zavrsnicu turnira? Da psiholoski unisti Fritza? Pa onda da se mrcvari s Raonicem i Zverevim sve da bi postigao - sta konkretno? Inace, Novak je posle tog AO preskocio sve turnire (i Dubai i Majami, koje inace obicno igra), napravio pauzu od mesec i po dana. Da je imao Nadalovog spanskog doktora mogao je da poosvaja sve zivo u medjuvremenu: Roterdam, Dubai, Majami i ne bi izgubio od Evansa na sljaci u MC, od Karatseca u Bg-1. Samo da je imao Nadalovog spanskog doktora...

Nadal resio da koristi "vibracije" :

Nadal’s ranking points from Grand Slams, taken from the Official ATP Tour Page: AO points from 2022, RG from 2020, Wimbledon from 2019, even though RG&W were played last year.