VN Bahreina (Sakir) 27.-29. novembra 2020.

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Konačno informacije iz bolnice, biće zadržan preko noći...

 

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Romain Grosjean will remain in hospital overnight for observation but "feels good" following his crash in Bahrain, according to Haas Formula 1 boss Gunther Steiner.

Grosjean was transferred to hospital following a terrifying crash on the opening lap of the Bahrain Grand Prix when his Haas F1 car was torn into two parts after hitting the barrier exiting Turn 3.

The Frenchman was able to escape the wreckage despite a large fire being sparked and the monocoque being embedded in the guard rail, and was quickly met by medical staff.

Haas confirmed soon after the accident that Grosjean had sustained slight burns to his hands and ankles, and was being taken to hospital with a suspected broken rib.

Team boss Steiner gave an update following the race to say that he had spoken with Grosjean and he was in good spirits, believing that he had not broken any bones, but confirmed the Frenchman would be staying in hospital overnight.

"I just spoke with him on the phone, he's in a clear state of mind, he's good," Steiner said on Sky Sports F1.

"He's still staying in the hospital overnight, they want to keep him there. But he told me and not the doctor, he feels good, it seems nothing is broken.

"He's got his hands bandaged from the burns, but otherwise he said he has no burns or nothing. He was very upbeat, I would say, so very happy."

Steiner confirmed that Grosjean's physio was quick to get in contact with his wife, updating him on his condition, and that he had spoken to his son in the aftermath of the crash.

"His physio was in contact with his wife straightaway," Steiner said.

"They know each other very well, so he was in contact and they gave him the news. I tried to call, but you can imagine these people are so busy.

"When I called him before, he was on the telephone with his son, I was told, so that's good. I think it's all under control."

Steiner refused to dwell on any possibility of needing to replace Grosjean for the final two races, saying he would be keen to drive so long as he is fit enough to do so.

"Knowing him, he wants to be back, but we'll see that tomorrow when they take the bandages off because he has no idea what they look like," Steiner said.

"For me at the moment, the only good thing is, nothing bad happened. For sure it wasn't good, but he's safe, he's healthy.

"The rest we'll see tomorrow when we speak with the doctors."

Asked what the back-up plan would be if Grosjean was not fit, Steiner replied: "I don't want to speak about the back-up plan. The back-up plan is to have Romain in if he's alright to do it."

 

[Radoye]

16 minutes ago, alberto.ascari said:

Naš komentator Josef Král (GP2, LM) kaže da na tom mestu se jednostavno ne očekuje udarac u ogradu pod 90 stepeni, zato tamo nije ni tecpro ni gume.

 

Naravno, jasno.

 

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Splet potpuno nepredvidljivih okolnosti. Naravno, istraga mora da utvrdi da li su stubovi bili pravilno utemeljeni, ali svaka ograda ima odredjeni stepen zadržavanja, tj. dimenzionisana je na očekivanu silu udarca. Na ovom delu piste se očigledno računalo s tim da bolid može da udari pod uglom do recimo 30 stepeni, takva je konfiguracija piste na tom mestu.

 

Bilo kakav Armco instaliran oko staze jednostavno ne sme na ovakav nacin da popusti. Ovo je ubedljivo najopasniji scenario i u proslosti su vozaci ostajali bukvalno bez delova tela zbog ovoga. Bolje onda betonski zid da su stavili ako su se zajebavali i kockali da Armco ograda nece biti udarena pod 90 stepeni pa su je namerno slabiju napravili.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Radoye

[realno *w]

5 hours ago, Alek The Great said:

Ja mislim da su se ova dvojica sa pp aparatom prestravila kad su videli da nesto izlazi iz vatre.

 

 

neverovatan ugao, bukvalno ovakvo nešto u filmu da vidim, rekao bi "a jeste sad"

 

 

Evo LIVEa iz bolnice, prsti su mu izgleda izgoreli dobro, ali sve je to minorno posle ovakvog udesa

 

https://fb.watch/23KzvazNvt/

[alberto.ascari]

 
Bilo kakav Armco instaliran oko staze jednostavno ne sme na ovakav nacin da popusti. Ovo je ubedljivo najopasniji scenario i u proslosti su vozaci ostajali bukvalno bez delova tela zbog ovoga. Bolje onda betonski zid da su stavili ako su se zajebavali i kockali da Armco ograda nece biti udarena pod 90 stepeni pa su je namerno slabiju napravili.

Ne kažem ja da je slabija, nije to autoput u Srbiji ili Angoli da staviš ogradu koja treba da zadrži 40t pri brzini od 40km/h umesto projektovane na 50km/h pa da podeliš kintu sa nadzorom.

Pista je projektovana i izvedena po propisima FIA, pitanje je da li je pravo vreme za reviziju.

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[JPM]

53 minutes ago, alberto.ascari said:

Naš komentator Josef Král (GP2, LM) kaže da na tom mestu se jednostavno ne očekuje udarac u ogradu pod 90 stepeni, zato tamo nije ni tecpro ni gume. Splet potpuno nepredvidljivih okolnosti. Naravno, istraga mora da utvrdi da li su stubovi bili pravilno utemeljeni, ali svaka ograda ima odredjeni stepen zadržavanja, tj. dimenzionisana je na očekivanu silu udarca. Na ovom delu piste se očigledno računalo s tim da bolid može da udari pod uglom do recimo 30 stepeni, takva je konfiguracija piste na tom mestu.

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Dale Ernhardt je poginuo zato sto mu je blagi udarac promenio ugao udarca o zastitnu ogradu. Gordon Smiley je poginuo zbog iznenadnog prijanjanja guma u trenutku kada je korigovao bezanje zadnjeg dela bolida. Postoji jasno pravilo koje kaze ocekuj neocekivano.

 

Ogroman propust, ali sreca koju nisu imali Hubert i Bianchi danas je pomilovala Grosjean-a. Mozemo samo da budemo zahvalni. Naravno, bice istrage i naravno bice kazni...ali tezih posledica nema.

[Borko]

4 hours ago, DASUBO said:

 

Wow, kakav komentar nakon onakvog udesa Gro i generalno čitave trke do sada gde nisu sastavili jedan krug kako valja.

 

Sedi, jedan.

Vauuuuu... Kako si opasan Dasubo, treba da budes ponosan na taj pravednicki gnev, zamisli da neko napise nesto o trkanju za vreme trke formule jedan, zaista sam moralno dno.

[Radoye]

1 hour ago, alberto.ascari said:

Ne kažem ja da je slabija, nije to autoput u Srbiji ili Angoli da staviš ogradu koja treba da zadrži 40t pri brzini od 40km/h umesto projektovane na 50km/h pa da podeliš kintu sa nadzorom.

Pista je projektovana i izvedena po propisima FIA, pitanje je da li je pravo vreme za reviziju.
 

 

Pista je bila projektovana i izvedena po propisima FIA, nego je pitanje da li ona i sada ispunjava te standarde. Imali smo vec pre koju godinu u Silverstonu da je armko popustio, da li Kime bese udario, na srecu nije se zakucao ispod njega. Dakle pitanje je kontrole / inspekcije pred trku zasto se feleri nisu detektovali.

Jer ponavljam nista opasnije nema od ovoga, bukvalno je bolje staviti beton nego imati neispravan armko koji ce na ovakav nacin da popusti.

[alberto.ascari]

 
Pista je bila projektovana i izvedena po propisima FIA, nego je pitanje da li ona i sada ispunjava te standarde. Imali smo vec pre koju godinu u Silverstonu da je armko popustio, da li Kime bese udario, na srecu nije se zakucao ispod njega. Dakle pitanje je kontrole / inspekcije pred trku zasto se feleri nisu detektovali.

Jer ponavljam nista opasnije nema od ovoga, bukvalno je bolje staviti beton nego imati neispravan armko koji ce na ovakav nacin da popusti.

Pa pazi, u principu se mi slažemo. Verovatno je došlo vreme da se revidiraju standardi i da piste koje ne ispunjavaju, a to će biti sve koje nisu prošle kroz rekonstrukciju u poslednjih par godina, će morati da se modernizuju.

Što se tiče kontrole, to je malo komplikovanije, vizuelno je to moguće i sigurno je i bilo, tj. ako je list ograde oštećen ili je korodiran šraf ili je labav stubić, to mora i treba da se otkrije i popravi. Niko sebi ne sme da dozvoli, da ako je list ograde od 3mm čelika da montira 2,5mm, ali ako stubić treba da bude 1,20m u zemlji a on je 0,90m, to ne možeš da otkriješ. Naravno, postoji nešto što se zove As Built Drawing, jbg fergesao sam kako se kaže srpski, i ako se tu otkrije da je u dokumentaciji 1,20 a realno je 0,90, onda je to prevara a u ovom slučaju pokušaj ubistva iz nehata. Ako to bude slučaj onda neko treba da visi za jajca dugo na promaji.

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[alberto.ascari]

Evo ga Gro iz bolnice, dobro je...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIL-IOZJ7Xm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Btw, ko će da uskoči umesto njega, opet Hulk? Mislim da Fittipaldi nema superlicencu.




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[DASUBO]

1 hour ago, Borko said:

Vauuuuu... Kako si opasan Dasubo, treba da budes ponosan na taj pravednicki gnev, zamisli da neko napise nesto o trkanju za vreme trke formule jedan, zaista sam moralno dno.

 

Želeti nekome da ne završi trku nema nikakve veze sa trkanjem, pogotovo nakon horora koji je doživeo Roman i ateriranja Strola na "krov".

Sedi u karting, zamoli drugara da ti jednom, nekad zamasti svećicu da ne znaš i onda ćeš shvatiti kako je ostati kao panj pored staze dok drugi zvižde pored tebe. Da ne pričam, ne daj Bože, o nekom udesu.

Da li voliš ili ne nekog vozača/tim, to je tvoja stvar, ali želeti nekome da ne dođe do cilja je u najmanju ruku, nesportski.

 

Nadam se da možeš da shvatiš razliku.

Ako ne možeš, to je već druga stvar, jer znam da sigurno nisi glup.

 

izvinjavam se ukoliko sam te uvredio, nije mi bila namera.

 

[Radoye]

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Daniil Kvyat has been given two penalty points on his licence for the crash which flipped Lance Stroll upside-down during the Bahrain Grand Prix.

 

[Hertzog]

Ipak Fitipaldi menja Grozana

[Radoye]

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Formula 1 managing director of motorsport Ross Brawn says the sport will do a serious analysis of Romain Grosjean’s crash in the Bahrain Grand Prix due to a number of worrying failures.

 

Grosjean crashed on the straight towards Turn 4 after contact with Daniil Kvyat on the opening lap, with his car splitting in two as the survival cell went through an Armco guardrail barrier. Although medical staff were immediately on the scene and he was able to climb out of the burning wreckage in what is testament to many safety protocols, Brawn says the large fire and failed barrier are concerns for the sport to address.

 

“We have go to do a very deep analysis of all the events that occurred, because there are a number of things that shouldn’t have happened,” Brawn told Sky Sports. “The fire was worrying and the split of the barrier was worrying. I think the positives were the safety of the car, and that is what got us through.

 

“Barriers splitting was a classic problem many years ago and normally it resulted in a fatality. There’s absolutely no doubt the halo was the factor that saved Romain.

 

“I think all the team behind it deserve credit for forcing it though. If you recall there was quite a bit of controversy at the time about introducing it, and I don’t think anyone now can doubt the validity of that and the value of it. So hats off to everyone involved, because it was a lifesaver.

 

“It was quite a high G load and we have to look at how everything failed. Everything’s designed to fail in a progression, but a crash that catastrophic obviously things failed in an unpredicted way. The car came apart and we had a fuel fire, which we have not had for a very long time — the fuel cells are incredibly strong.

 

“I suspect that came from a ruptured connection … I honestly don’t know. I think we need to look at it. Surprisingly, it looked a big fire, but those cars are carrying 100 kilos (26 gallons) of fuel at that stage, and I think if 100 kilos went up, it would be a massive fire. For me that was a fire of a few kilos of fuel, not 100 kilos.

 

“It’s a barrier that would be very unusual to hit in the way that Romain hit that barrier. For sure there will be some very careful scrutiny between now and the next race. Any information we can gather between now and the next race we will do so, and I’m sure any action will be taken that needs to be done. But it’s something we have not seen in a long time and I think the safety standards at the circuits are exceptional; but we saw something we didn’t predict.”

 

However, Brawn says the reaction of the FIA Medical Car team and trackside marshals was something that the sport should be proud of.

 

“Credit to everyone. Clear thought, clear purpose — they didn’t hesitate. They did exactly what they needed to do and you can’t fault them. We’re proud to have them all and I think it’s very reassuring for the drivers to see that level of professionalism and that response. In that respect it was perfect. Obviously we don’t want to see an accident like that but in terms of a response I can’t really think there could have been anything more effectively done.”

 

 

Sto ja rekoh, Armco ne sme na ovakav nacin da popusti. Stagod da je bio razlog nedopustivo je.

[JPM]

15 hours ago, Radoye said:

 

 

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https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12147266/romain-grosjean-wife-marion-posts-emotional-tribute-thanks-jules-bianchis-family-among-others

[MrIncredible]

 

[Radoye]

https://racer.com/2020/11/30/medland-a-tough-night-to-comprehend/

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Romain Grosjean is set for another night in hospital for treatment on burns sustained in a crash during last weekend’s Bahrain Grand Prix, but wants to race in the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix if his injuries allow.

 

The Frenchman suffered burns to the back of his hands in the first-lap accident, and has been in hospital for treatment since. Having already confirmed Grosjean will not race in the Sakhir Grand Prix this weekend, Haas team principal Guenther Steiner said the aims to return in Abu Dhabi the following week for the final race of the season.

 

 

 

“I didn’t speak to him yet (today) because he was at the doctors, but yesterday he was mentally very stable, very good about it,” Steiner said. “The guy which is with him today said he’s in very good spirits again – because I asked and he said ‘yeah he’s very good’ – and he just tries to get better to try and be in the car in Abu Dhabi. So I think that shows that he wants to keep on doing it.

 

“Absolutely (he wants to race). That is his aim now, to heal up, that he wants to do Abu Dhabi.”

 

Steiner also said Grosjean has asked him how the crash, which began when he moved across on Daniil Kvyat and made contact with the AlphaTauri, was triggered.

 

“He remembers how he wanted to get out, or how he got out, he explained that very well to me. What he asked me is ‘How did I end up there?’ and I said ‘You ran over Kvyat’s car, basically, you turned right and ran over his front wing, that turned you around and put you in the wall’.

 

“He said he didn’t see the car, but I don’t want to put words in his mouth and say he doesn’t remember it. I think he doesn’t realize what he did.”

 

On Monday Haas stated the treatment on the burns is going well and that Grosjean was set to be discharged from hospital on Tuesday, but Steiner said he is now likely to spend an extra night receiving further treatment to help his recovery.

 

“I just spoke with one of his guys, as he was with the doctor before; they did something with the burns,” he said. “I don’t know exactly what. He’s staying another night in the hospital, but it’s nothing to be preoccupied with. They just said it’s a safer environment, I guess mostly because of the burns. But everything is going good. His guy, just talked with him, told me the doctors are happy with him and the healing process is as they would have seen it coming. No setback or anything.”

 

 

Jbg za njega se svet zavrsava negde u liniji njegovih usiju, nista iza toga ne postoji.

 

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Romain Grosjean has spoken for the first time about his escape from a shocking crash at the start of last week’s Bahrain Grand Prix.

 

The Haas driver spent 28 seconds in the burning wreckage of his car after he crashed head-on into a barrier. His car split in two, which caused a explosive fire.

 

Grosjean said he was reminded of Niki Lauda’s crash during the 1976 German Grand Prix, which left the Austrian world champion with severe burns.

 

“I saw my visor was all orange and the flames around me,” Grosjean told TF1 and LCI in an interview. “The accident of Niki Lauda came to mind. I didn’t want to end up like that. I had to get out for my children.”

 

He said the crash was unlike anything he’d seen in a film. “Even in Hollywood, it does not exist,” he said. “I have never seen a crash like that in my life.

 

“I stayed 28 seconds in the flames but it seemed much longer, as I tried to get out of the tub three times. After this accident, I’m happy to be alive.”

 

“To get out of the seat, I was able to remove my seat belt,” he added. “The steering wheel was no longer there, [it] probably flew off during the impact.”

 

One of Grosjean’s boots also came off during the crash. “In the end, my hands were burnt and I had a big sprain, I thought I had broken my foot.”

 

He has since begun recovery in a hospital in Bahrain and hopes to return to racing at next week’s Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

 

“I was more afraid for my relatives, my children in the first place, but also my father and my mother,” said Grosjean. “I was not really afraid for myself. I saw death coming, I had no other option but to get out of there.”

 

 

[Radoye]

Grozan otpusten iz bolnice:

 

https://racer.com/2020/12/02/grosjean-discharged-from-hospital-in-bahrain/

[Radoye]

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Daniil Kvyat said it was hard to focus on racing again following his involvement in Romain Grosjean’s shocking crash on the first lap of the Bahrain Grand Prix.

 

Kvyat and Grosjean made contact on the first lap of the race, which sent the Haas into a barrier at high speed. The car caught fire and the race was red-flagged while Grosjean was rescued.

 

The stewards did not investigate the collision and no blame was apportioned to either driver. However Kvyat, who was able to take part in the restart and finished the race, admitted he had a “difficult day” after seeing the crash unfold in his mirrors.

 

“I saw him making contact and there was not much I could do to avoid that. Of course I think in the first lap these things happen. I was first angry that I saw the car cut across like this.

 

“But then immediately I watched in my mirrors and I could see the fire, the explosion. It was a very strange emotion, strange feeling. I never saw something like this in all my racing career. To see this, like something you see only in the movies, was a bit shocking to be honest.”

 

Kvyat’s team principal Franz Tost reassured him about his involvement in the collision, telling him it wasn’t his fault.

 

“I was a bit worried at first when I came in the pit lane, of course, about him,” Kvyat recalled. “But then luckily they told me and they showed the footage of him being OK. I was relieved.

 

“But of course the image stays with you. It wasn’t easy to get back [in], to be honest. But it’s my job so I just pressed the reset button and go again.”

 

AlphaTauri team boss Franz Tost described how he reassured a shocked Daniil Kvyat after his role in Romain Grosjean’s huge crash in Bahrain last weekend.

 

Tost said that he sought out Kvyat, who had had contact with Grosjean as he crossed the track before crashing, to tell him that he was not responsible for the crash and to try to get his driver to concentrate on the restart when the red flag would end:

 

"Well, I went to him because he was shocked about everything that’s happening, we concentrated enough on the second start, said ‘that was absolutely not your fault’ and Grosjean is not injured as far as I could have seen, and therefore best we concentrated for the race. And this is what he did."

 

"Of course, he was shocked. He immediately asked on the radio after the incident and what happened to Grosjean, but we couldn’t answer him because we didn’t know it ourselves because at this stage they didn’t show anything on TV. We only later came up with the pictures. And then, of course, we saw that Grosjean jumped out of the monocoque."

 

 

[Radoye]

Kad sam bio klinac verovao sam da su F1 vozaci superheroji - ono, Supermen, Spajdermen i Niki Lauda. Evo dokaz da su oni to jos uvek:

 

https://www.racefans.net/2020/12/04/i-put-both-my-hands-in-the-fire-grosjean-describes-his-28-seconds-trapped-in-an-inferno/