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the athletic: Hollinger: Trading James Harden is next. The Rockets just don’t know it yet. By John Hollinger Dec 3, 2020 110 Of course this happened. This was the only way it could ever end. John Wall and Russell Westbrook were either going to get traded for each other or not at all, because there just wasn’t any other player salary match that made sense for either team. And since both of them wanted out, the “not at all” option wasn’t looking particularly palatable for either side. (One spy, in fact, says the two have basically been waiting around to get traded for each other since before the draft). All that was left was negotiating the terms, which in this case was a protected first-round pick from Washington to Houston, a low-ish price that likely swings the advantage clearly to the Wizards on this trade and cements a bad asset cascade on Houston’s end. If you’re keeping score at home, this means that in the span of one season, the Rockets surrendered a future first and two pick swaps to turn Chris Paul into John Wall, who is a worse and more injured player with a longer contract. Yuck. Houston just got worse, period. We’ll get into the Wizards part of this in a minute, because that can get messy too, but let’s start with the game of dominoes in Houston. Trading Westbrook for Wall theoretically is a great way to keep the peace — Westbrook wanted out, and the edifice in Houston is already crumbling. (Or, as noted philosopher Micheal Ray Richardson once said, the ship be sinking.) The problem is that it likely makes its basketball team considerably worse, at a time when the Rockets can’t really afford any more declines. While Houston still talks bravely of competing for a title this season — it seems like 16 years ago that it was up 1-0 on the Lakers in the second round of the playoffs — it also seems inevitable that this team won’t come close to having the talent to attain such goals. The Rockets can be good, maybe, if everything goes right … just not nearly good enough. Westbrook, for all his faults in the playoffs, made third-team All-NBA in the regular season. John Wall … did not. He has not been the same player since 2017, when he began having Achilles problems. He had surgery to fix it, a very similar procedure to the one underwent by Mike Conley, who came out fresh as a daisy. Unlike Conley, however, Wall ruptured his Achilles during the rehab (this was a known risk that we had to sweat out with Conley’s recovery in Memphis). That latter malady is one of the worst injuries a basketball player can suffer, especially one as dependent on blazing speed as Wall. Wall spent all of last season rehabbing, and while he can be a better version of the hobbled player he was right before the injury, it’s hard to imagine a return to his previous heights. As our Seth Partnow recently outlined in excruciating detail, Achilles injuries suck. Realistically, we’re probably looking at a scenario where Pistons-level Derrick Rose is the “good” outcome. Wall would have to be much better than that to make an impact on a Houston roster that has been plucked clean of quality depth. While Harden’s presence alone virtually assures the Rockets will be decent, “decent” doesn’t get you very far in the current Western Conference. Houston will be hard-pressed to squeeze into the back end of an unforgiving West playoff race, one that may require 40 wins in a 72-game season just to land in the top eight. I don’t want to give away too much of my season-preview content that is going to hit soon, but let’s just say that Houston doesn’t project to replicate last season’s win total. A Harden trade is the new reality And once that reality hits, what happens next? Harden has two years left on his deal before a player option hits, and he’s 31. For the moment he’s staying with the program — surely this trade didn’t happen without a wink and a nod from him — and all indications are that the Rockets have bent over backwards to keep him happy in recent months. That said, he’s facing his basketball mortality at a time when his own team is going backwards. Historically, that situation rarely yields happy endings. It’s not like the Rockets are done hollowing out their core to avoid the luxury tax, either. Houston likely will enter the season $5.4 million into the tax, but now has two future firsts on hand, one from Washington and one from Detroit. It will either spend the early part of 2021 dumping its multiple non-guaranteed contracts on other teams in small deals and dancing with 10-days and 13-man rosters the rest of the season to finish $12 below the line, or use the picks as the bait to move Eric Gordon (on the first year of a ridiculous four-year, $76 million extension). Either way, there’s zero chance Houston stays over the tax line, and that will hurt this roster further. As a result, here’s the question other front offices are asking: When does it all hit the fan? Do the Rockets start taking calls on Harden at the trade deadline? Does Houston make one more effort to right things at the trade deadline before saying uncle after the season? This is a key question when you’re trying to salary-match a $41 million contract. Figuring out the timing and lining up the right contracts and assets for a deal is an important piece for those teams (hi, Brooklyn) scheming to add Harden to their mix. Is Washington … good? Meanwhile, Washington has some issues of its own. Let’s start on the positive side, though. The Wizards will be better, and the cost was reasonable. Westbrook brings his own knee troubles with him but showed last year that he is far closer to the peak version of himself than Wall was. Even if you’re just considering future trade possibilities, dealing Westbrook a year from now is much more imaginable than doing the same with Wall. Yes, the Wizards advanced the ball from having the worst contract in the league to merely one of the worst, but at the margins this stuff matters. Bringing Westbrook in also pushes the Wizards further into a “win-now” mode, if by win-now mode we mean “Play-In Tournament, here we come!” But that could have some positives, too. We’ll finally get to see Davis Bertans play starters’ minutes instead of being treated to 30 charity minutes a game for Rui Hachimura, and Washington’s other youngsters will be in more of a sink-or-swim mode too. But, as in Houston, the questions about Washington’s All-Star shooting guard won’t go away either. While this deal is likely to make Bradley Beal happier in the short term, one wonders how he’ll feel after a year of standing on the perimeter watching Russ-on-five. Now that Westbrook is reunited with his former Oklahoma City coach Scott Brooks, who did little to rein in Westbrook’s worse impulses with the Thunder, one presumes this will turn into the Russ Show pretty quickly. And at the end of it all, Washington still won’t be good. Again, I don’t want to tip my hand too much, but it’s hard to see this team having one of the best eight records in the East, even with Westbrook. Beal has made no effort to push his way out, and it’s hard to imagine the situation shifting so sharply that he changes his tune by the trade deadline. But the bigger picture has not changed. Beal is 27 and would command a treasure trove in a trade. He’ll be a free agent in two years, and his own team is unlikely to win half its games before then. Every contending team sees him as a hugely valuable “third star” who can play on or off the ball. Reaping an asset harvest for Beal is a much better long-term path forward for the Wizards than plowing ahead in pursuit of the 8 seed, a reality that is extremely likely to slap them in the face at some point in the next 12 months. For now, however, all eyes are on Houston. Already Robert Covington is gone, and Daryl Morey is gone, and Mike D’Antoni is gone, and Westbrook is gone. This movie inevitably ends with Harden gone, too. The Rockets just don’t know it yet.

mislim da neki sumanut broj sati za trening u današnjem sportu nije nikakvo merilo rada mislim, okej ako je sašo u tim-bilding fazonu pa je pola i više sati od tih 6 zapravo relaksirajuće prirode

a zašto ne bi za 9+ miliona doveli boljeg igrača od meyers leonarda? i koji to igrač od 2ipo miliona širi rotaciju u finalu osakaćenoj povredama ekipi? ako mi neko kaže marc gasol, poderaću si lice.

okej, da pređemo na nešto bitnije teme:

i ja sam za. to je mala cena za 4x IR slota ----- Sources: NBA’s Competition Committee registered strong support today for increasing league’s active player list for games from 13 to 15. Board of Governors must give final approval to a move that makes sense given shortened season and concerns over Covid impact on rosters. — Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) December 3, 2020

ali pokazalo se u plej ofu da nije upotrebljiv. i opet su ga potpisali i to uz NTC nisi mi nikada odgovorio za dudleyja: zašto lakersi ne urade to isto što se savetuje heatu, nađe nekog upotrebljivog igrača za 2.6 miliona? edit nemojmo se zezati, ne može dudley ništa da uradi, niti iko pokušava da nešto očekuje od njega da uradi. lik uđe bukvalno kao rentirana maskota, to bih i ja mogao da igram sa svoj 40+ godina ipak, verujem da postoji dobar razlog zašto je bio tu i zašto će opet biti tu. taj razlog je kod haslema samo bolji i značajniji

e pa vidiš, onaj hibsterski tekst tvrdi da haslem posredno utiče i doprinosi parketu, što nekako teško mogu da zamislim kod dadlija, koji ulazi isključivo na +20 razlike u poslednjim minutima i to kada uđe uopšte. u međuvremenu prića viceve na klupi ako mu dozvole. ne znam kako je moguće da kažemo "dadli igra = nešto vredi, udonis ne igra = ništa ne vredi". kontam ovde ljudi ipak prate i nba i sport dovoljno da razumeju kako to nije tačno, tj da kod haslema nije samo bacanje rispekta od strane majamija al dobro, da se ne ponavljam više

evo klikni na link koji sam posadio https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/ pa ćeš videti da imaju 21ogodišnjeg KZ okpalu i 24god chris silvu za po milionipo. ja ne znam te igrače, matić može da kaže nešto na temu ali kontam da su likovi koji se nisu do sada naigrali u nba, makar po godinama. imaju i tog rukija precious achiuwa i nekolicinu likova za kamp. sad je kao glavni zajeb da nađu nekoga haslem a ponovo potpisali mrtvog leonarda kada su recimo imali christian wooda na FA ili im igoudala u svojoj ulozi slabo pokretnog veterana uzima 15 milki dakle - veliki kiks i ludilo majamija je što umesto haslema nemaju priliku da potpišu jednog g-league mačkaudžaku evo tebe da pitam za dudleyja pošto do mikija ne dobacujem na temu: zašto lakersi uzimaju tako nekog lika kome je gostovanje na podcastima najveći uspeh i nema nikakvu istoriju ni sa lebronom ni sa franšizom a ne uzmu nekog no name lika za te pare??

meyers leonard je u drugom delu sezone polako gubio minutazu, da bi u bubbleu potpuno ispao iz rotacije. kada se adebayo povredio, vratio se na simbolicnom broju minuta dok je olynyk cepao 30 (koji je one-trick poney) daklem, kada je spoelstra imao ceo roster, leonard je bio unplayable. kada mu je najbitniji igrač od visokih povređen, igrao je simbolično. i onda potpišeš tog istog mayers leonarda za 9.400.000 dolara dok je recimo chrisitan wood potpisao na manje od 30 miliona za 3 sezone naravno da pominjem igoudalu, čovek zarađuje 15 miliona po sezoni, ovde se pisalo za bogdana da je to puno. ---- to što jared dudley igra 8 minuta na pola utakmica a na pola ne igra, ne znači da njegov potpis ima smisla. taj haslem u mom rezonu vredi daleko više od podgojenog journeymana koji nema nikakvu istoriju sa lejkersima sve do juče tu kakvu već ima.

sferopulos ilajdži brajantu: uđi i uništi ih ilajdža brajant:

ono jes'. hajde još jednom da probam u tri rečenice bez tog tobogana pa da, što se mene tiče, pređem na druge teme https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/ pričamo o 1.31% cap spacea franšize koja je neočekivano i u solidno velikom stilu ušla u finale. u to finale su ušli iz 120 razloga a jedan od njih je taj mindset koji se gaji unutar organizacije. nekakvi principi koji su, po pisanju novinara, bili dovoljno dobri i jednom lebron jamesu da ih nakon odlaska iz majamija zadrži u svom rezonovanju. haslem ne ulazi u igru godinama ali takve stvari čine da, kada dovedeš jimmy butlera, on krene da se oseća kao svoj na svome i pruža najbolje. 1.31% cap spacea. da se diskusija vodi oko potpisivanja dragića (14.55% capa) & meyers leonarda (7.60% capa), koji navodno imaju i NTC, apsolutno bih razumeo pa ne bih ni učestvovao u diskusiji na opšte zadovoljstvo. ili svojevremeni extend & trade andre igoudale (12.13% salary capa). i dragić i leonard ugovori su jednim delom posledice te famozne kulture i odlično obavljenog posla u sezoni ali se tu da diskutovati da li vredi žrtvovati toliko capa zarad vrednosti iza kojih organizacija stoji. u haslemovom slučaju pričamo o 1.31% cap spacea.

okej.

nisam rekao tebi lično ništa već svima onima koji znaju dobro iz fotelje da procene ko koliko para vredi mislim sve okej što se mene tiče, samo sam pokusao da pojasnim kaosu otkud takav ton rasprave sa tobom

ja sam uljudno diskutovao sve dok moj sagovornik nije rešio da mu odgovara suprotno. to što ti procenjujes da je "moje" uvredljive od "njegovog" je tvoja stvar. nema veze s'tim kako ja doživljavam, kao što btw nisam vređao ni tebe ni realnog, već sam vas pomenuo za diskusiju u kojoj se ne slažemo. pa kao što ti meni sada uljudno (za razliku od malopre npr) sugerišes da smanjim doživljaj, tako i ja tebe fino molim da se ne mesas u moj sukob sa maticem bez preke potrebe. tu je moderator, tu su prijave, ne moraš da me disciplinujes ako već nisam vređao tebe, a nisam.

dadlijevih 8min na 45 utakmica sigurno vrede 2.6 miliona, pošto je ipak legenda lejkersa sa tom jednom sezonom idem da čitam hibsterski tekst o haslemu dok ne izađe taj o dadliju mlad talenat, pravo iz g lige, evo kaos će da ti objasni Edit uuu imao majami problem baš na poziciji na kojoj haslem ne igra. sve bolje od boljeg @Miki28

citiraj nešto i midjeta, nemoj da se stidis. ovako izgleda da sam se sam sa sobom svađao @Chaos Is Me inače, ja mislio da tebe nešto vređam a ti zapravo glumis drvenog advokata za lika koji čeka da se pokaci od jutros jer sam mu skrenuo pažnju da piše gluposti. lepo udonis je problem sa svojih 17 sezona i 2ipo miliona u majamiju ali zato dzared

citiraju vređanje i bezobrazluk ili odjebi.

prodaj leonarda i olynyka plus 2ipo miliona i kupiš dva strava centra al glup rajli samo mu pišite što pre i potpišite se, da zna kome sve da se zahvali.

ma meni je ovo poraz drugog razreda, jebo me pas kad se pecam da pričam ovde

dobro ljudi (?) botovi, kao da se finalna serija igra sa 15 igrača majamiju nisu ulazili neki mnogo bitniji igrači sa klupe u finalu ne mogu da dokazujem očigledno, vređam sam sebe

zovite rajlija, javite mu da je glup.

kako da ti kažem, to sve može sa udonisovih 2ipo miliona. ne sprečava ih on da naprave te fantastične stvari.

ja ne znam da li zaista razumete koliko je glupo ovo što pišete: lik ima 2ipo miliona u ligi u kojoj je to sitniš. @realno *w pominje tajsa za 800k. kao da te udonisovih 2ipo miliona sprecava da nadjes takvog lika. @Chaos Is Me kaze da samo treba da ga prebace u trenerski stuff. ti vezujes janisa u pricu. to je potpuni nonsense. udonisovih 2ipo miliona nestaju ako ikada budu problme a nece biti problem.

ne preostaje ništa drugo do da ti, kaos i realni preuzmete franšizu od rajlija što pre, pošto gori.

svima bi dao po 500k minus porezi 40%? bravo majstore Edit 800 k sreća radost u franšizi bože kakvih gluposti