Latinska Amerika

[erwin]

Prošao referendum sa 95% za, ali opozicija tvrdi uz veoma mali odziv, tj. da je izborna komisija prevarno računala odgovor na svako od 5 pitanja kao jedan glas. I novinari španske agencije EFE kažu da su birališta bila prazna.

 

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89 percent abstain vote on border dispute referendum in Venezuela, says opposition

Venezuelan opposition leader claims that the participation in Sunday’s non-binding referendum on the territorial dispute with eastern neighbor Guyana saw a turnout of 2,110,864 voters out of 20.69 million citizens, an abstention of over 89 percent.

The referendum included five questions. The first four were about the acceptance or rejection of international treaties and tribunals to settle the border issue with Guyana.

The fifth was about the agreement to annex the territory, the creation of a state called Guayana Esequiba, and the “accelerated plan” to grant citizenship to the local population.

The National Electoral Council (CNE) announced that they totaled 10,554,320 votes, without clarifying whether it corresponds to the number of voters or the number of questions answered.

Opposition leader Henrique Capriles said the authorities “did not dare to say it (turnout) was 2,110,864 voters” as there are five votes per voter, given there are five dichotomous questions for each participant, on X (formerly Twitter) on Monday.

Capriles, one of the anti-Chavistas who voted in the referendum, said that President Nicolas Maduro “turned” the day “into a resounding failure.”

According to CNE, 95.93 percent of Venezuelans who participated in the referendum responded affirmatively to the fifth question on annexing Guyana.

The insistent call by the Maduro government for “massive participation” in the referendum in defense of Essequibo, a territory of almost 160,000 square kilometers in dispute with Guyana reportedly received a weak response on Sunday.

EFE confirmed the low turnout at several polling stations that saw empty streets, a scene contrary to the festive atmosphere that the government expected.

https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-12-04/89-percent-abstain-vote-on-border-dispute-referendum-in-venezuela-says-opposition/

 

Edit: Evo i NYT i Rojters:

 

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Preliminary reports on Sunday suggested that turnout for the Essequibo referendum was far lower than expected, even though public sector employees had been required to vote. New York Times observers saw voting centers that were essentially empty, and experts and social media users reported similar scenes.

“This is a huge failure for the government,” Benigno Alarcón, the director of a research center at Andrés Bello Catholic University in Caracas that conducts voter surveys, said of the turnout. He added that it was likely that the government’s electoral council would falsely inflate voter turnout figures.

Mr. Gunson said the turnout was a setback for the ruling party and particularly for Mr. Maduro, even as they tried to present it as a triumph.

“It makes the chances of even a semi-free and fair election next year even more remote,” he said. “Since they can’t afford to go into one of those in this kind of state.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/03/world/americas/maduro-vote-essequibo-guyana.html

 

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There are more than 20 million eligible voters in Venezuela.
Reuters witnesses visited voting centers across the country - many had few or no people waiting in line.
In Maracaibo, in the oil-rich state of Zulia, poll workers told Reuters that turnout was low.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuelans-vote-referendum-disputed-territory-with-guyana-2023-12-03/

Edited December 4, 2023 by erwin

[MeanMachine]

20 hours ago, A sad said:

Ma nece zauzeti nista. Ako pokusaju imace puc u Karakasu istog momenta ili neku mini invaziju u stilu rusenja Norijege. 

 

Dok je trenutna vlast na celu Venecuele ne postoji ni teoretska sansa da oni predju u americku aferu uticaja. Jedino resenje je rusenje Madurovog rezima. 

 

 

Porediti Panamu i Venecuelu je nerealno. Ako bi vec trazio neki primer to bi bio Irak 2003, prilicno slicna situacija slican broj stanovnika i losi uslovi stanovnistva za zivot doduse  Iracani su mnogo duze ziveli u losim uslovima, ali ajde da kazemo da situacija slicna dakle Sadam/Maduro nema podrsku vecine naroda ali ima fanaticnu podrsku ne bas male manjine. Stim sto u slucaju Venecuele ne moze se ocekivati nekakav mini gradjanski rat jer nisu podele religijskog tipa ko u Iraku.

 

I to bi bile slicnosti.

 

Ostalo je dosta razlicito. Geografski Venecuela je daleko teza za osvanjanje od Iraka. Pri tome Venecuela ima ne bas za podcenjivanje vojsku, pvo im je prilicno ozbiljan ako uzmes u obzir nadmorsku visinu i mogucnosti maskiranja istog. 

 

Takodje nije nerealno da bi Rusija a verovatno i Kina vrsila izvidjanje za Veneucelu, sto satelitima sto avionima i brodovima stacioniranim na Kubi npr.

 

Jednostavno rat sa Veneucelom za Ameriku bi zahtevao znatno vece snage nego sa Irakom 2003 i daleko duzu pripremu. 

 

Sa druge strane Madura bi sankcije mogle da pritegnu da ne pokusa ovu avanturu ali opet ako sankcije do sad ga nisu srusile...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by MeanMachine

[erwin]

  

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Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said on Tuesday he would authorize oil exploration in an area subject to a dispute with Guyana, which said it would report his comments to the United Nations and the International Court of Justice (ICJ). (...)
The state companies will "immediately proceed to create the division PDVSA Esequibo and CVG Esequibo and immediately we'll proceed to give operating licenses for the exploration and exploitation of oil, gas and mines in our Guayana Esequiba," he said on state television.
Maduro also said he has proposed a law to the government-controlled legislature to create the new state, and companies already operating in waters in the area would have three months to leave.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuelas-maduro-push-oil-exploration-disputed-territory-2023-12-06/

[Selina]

On 12/4/2023 at 7:52 PM, MeanMachine said:

 

 

 

 

Takodje nije nerealno da bi Rusija a verovatno i Kina vrsila izvidjanje za Veneucelu, sto satelitima sto avionima i brodovima stacioniranim na Kubi npr.

 

Jednostavno rat sa Veneucelom za Ameriku bi zahtevao znatno vece snage nego sa Irakom 2003 i daleko duzu pripremu. 

 

Sa druge strane Madura bi sankcije mogle da pritegnu da ne pokusa ovu avanturu ali opet ako sankcije do sad ga nisu srusile...

 

 

 

 

 

Drug Maduro je iskoristio priliku i objavio da je taj deo sada Venecuela. Momentalno svi imaju druga posla, narocito

USA tako da tu nece biti nikakvog vojnog koskanja. Moguce da namerava da to proda Exonu ili tako nekome mada tamo zive

ljudi, ne moze tek tako da se rasprodaje.

[MeanMachine]

On 12/6/2023 at 5:37 PM, Selina said:

Drug Maduro je iskoristio priliku i objavio da je taj deo sada Venecuela. Momentalno svi imaju druga posla, narocito

USA tako da tu nece biti nikakvog vojnog koskanja. Moguce da namerava da to proda Exonu ili tako nekome mada tamo zive

ljudi, ne moze tek tako da se rasprodaje.

 

Nekada davno i Ameri su smatralali da je to deo Venecuele pa umalo da zarate sa Britanosima oko sporne teritorije:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/11/venezuela-guyana-oil-borders-history-us-british-war/

 

Maduro valjda ide u Gvajanu na razgovore pa nije isključeno da se nešto i dogovore meni pada napamet Svalbard kao rešenje.

Edited December 12, 2023 by MeanMachine

[40Wins]

Havijerova vlast najavila devalvaciju valute za 50% i stopiranje tendera. Prvo je najavio dolarizaciju, a sad devalvaciju valute. Pogodno za izvoz, ali mislim da ih je upravo gurnuo u jos vecu sirotinju i bedu. 

[erwin]

LiBeRtArIjAnAc na delu:

 

 

Demonstracije samo na Ušću trotoaru, pojašnjava ministarka.

 

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The new Minister of Security, Patricia Bullrich, on Thursday announced a new protocol against street demonstrations. “We are going to bring order to the country so that people can live in peace. The streets will not be taken. “Let them know that if the streets are taken, there will be consequences,” Bullrich told a press conference. (...)

Bullrich has affirmed that a registry of social organizations that “instigate” protests will be created and that she will “send the bill” for “the expenses” of repression to those responsible. “The state is not going to pay for the use of the security forces. The organizations with legal status or the individuals will have to pay,” said the minister, who also announced that foreigners residing in the country with a temporary permit who participate in the protests will be reported to the Immigration Services.

“They can demonstrate on the sidewalk. We do not want street or roadblocks,” the minister said. “This is not a problem of ideologies; it is a problem of understanding once and for all that the country must live in peace and order.”

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-15/javier-mileis-government-announces-plan-to-crack-down-on-argentina-protests.html

Edited December 15, 2023 by erwin

[bohumilo]

Ovo je prelepo, nikada u životu niste čuli predsednika bilo koje zemlje da kaže nešto ovako:

 

 

A što se tiče ovom-prilikom-najavljenih deregulacija, lista ispod, kopiram teskt odavde:

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In a recorded message, the President of Argentina, Javier Milei, sent a message to the country on the first national management network with announcements of profound changes in the economy and the advancement of a Decree of Necessity and Urgency ( DNU).

"We designed a shock stabilization plan that includes a fiscal adjustment program, an exchange rate policy that adjusted the exchange rate to market value and a monetary policy that includes the sanitation of the Central Bank," said Milei.

After ten minutes of diagnosis , Milei began reading 30 bullet points : "As our economic model attacks the deficit, which is the cause of our problems, we can begin today to unblock all these regulations that aim to provide solutions but that only create problems."

the president listed what the decree of necessity and urgency will have:

1. Repeal of the Rental Law : so that the real estate market works smoothly again and so that renting is not an odyssey.

2. Repeal of the Supply Law , so that the State never again attacks the property rights of individuals.

3. Repeal of the Gondola Law so that the State stops interfering in the decisions of Argentine merchants.

4. Repeal of the National Purchase Law that only benefits certain power players.

5. Repeal of the Price Observatory of the Ministry of Economy to avoid the persecution of companies.

6. Repeal of the Industrial Promotion Law.

7. Repeal of the Trade Promotion Law.

8. Repeal of the regulations that prevent the privatization of public companies.

9. Repeal of the State Companies regime.

10. Transformation of all State companies into public limited companies for subsequent privatization.

11. Modernization of the labor regime to facilitate the process of generating genuine employment.

12. Reform of the Customs Code to facilitate international trade.

13. Repeal of the Land Law to promote investments.

14. Modification of the Fire Management Law.

15. Repeal of the obligations that sugar mills have regarding sugar production.

16.Liberation of the legal regime applicable to the wine sector.

17.Repeal of the national mining trade system and the Mining Information Bank.

18. Authorization for the transfer of the total or partial share package of Aerolíneas Argentinas.

19. Implementation of the open skies policy.

20. Modification of the Civil and Commercial Code to reinforce the principle of contractual freedom between the parties.

21. Modification of the Civil and Commercial Code to guarantee that obligations contracted in foreign currency must be paid in the agreed currency.

22.Modification to the regulatory framework of prepaid medicine and social works .

23.Elimination of price restrictions on the prepaid industry .

24.Incorporation of prepaid medicine companies into the social work regime.

25.Establishment of electronic prescription to streamline service and minimize costs.

26. Modifications to the regime of pharmaceutical companies to promote competition and reduce costs.

27. Modification of the Companies Law so that football clubs can become public limited companies if they so wish.

28.Deregulation of satellite internet services .

29. Deregulation of the tourism sector by eliminating the monopoly of tourism agencies.

30.Incorporation of digital tools for automotive registration procedures

Javier Milei assured: "This is only the first step, in the coming days we will call extraordinary sessions of the National Congress and we will send a package of laws asking Congress for collaboration to advance in this process of change that society chose in a context of crisis that requires immediate action.

 

Šta je več urađeno, prvog dana:

 

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/12/15/javier-milei-does-away-argentina-culture-ministry

 

>>It only took a day into his term as Argentina’s new president for Javier Milei to get rid of the Ministry of Culture. Milei was inaugurated on 10 December, and the following day, the boisterously libertarian economist and former television commentator fulfilled his campaign promise with typical bravado. Also on the chopping block—or, rather, in the path of his chainsaw, which Milei carried throughout his campaign to symbolise his intent to slash government spending—was the Ministry of Women, Gender and Diversity.

 

Several other ministries were downsized and recombined into new entities. The Ministry of Social Development, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Labour, Employment and Social Security will be pared down into a newly formed Ministry of Human Capital, headed by the former TV producer Sandra Pettovello. Meanwhile, the Ministries of Public Works, Transportation, Energy, Mining and Communications will merge into a new Ministry of Infrastructure. (It appears that the Ministry of Culture and Ministry of Women, Gender and Diversity will be completely dissolved.)...>>

 

 

Takođe, i vrlo važno, uveden je novi sigurnosni protokol, koji će omogućiti organima reda da, "uz korišćenje minimalne potrebne sile", sa ulica počiste antifaše i crnokošuljaše koji bi blokirali saobraćajnice i palili i pljačkali gradjane, ljuti što su izgubili izbore i što u Srebrenici izgleda kao da sviće...

 

Napisao sam pre izbora, napisaći opet - Ćavi je ril dil!

[Beonegro]

2 hours ago, bohumilo said:

Ovo je prelepo

 

Prelijepo skoro kao ukidanje zakona protiv nepotizma u državnoj upravi da bi uhljebio sestru.

 

[boxcube]

5 hours ago, Beonegro said:

 

Prelijepo skoro kao ukidanje zakona protiv nepotizma u državnoj upravi da bi uhljebio sestru.

 

 

Zakoni "protiv nepotizma" se posu da bi nepotizmu dali ekskluzivu, manje ili vise ocitu, a ne da bi resili problem nepotizma. 

[40Wins]

 

Moj kolega iz Arg je Cavijev glasac. Mora da ga cimam ovih meseci kako promene uticu na zivot obicnih ljudi. Ovo do sad kaze da je bila agonija i da bi probali bilo sta samo malo da im svane. 

[Smrtokapa]

 

[Beonegro]

41 minutes ago, boxcube said:

Zakoni "protiv nepotizma" se posu da bi nepotizmu dali ekskluzivu, manje ili vise ocitu, a ne da bi resili problem nepotizma. 

Probaj još malo nepismenije, ovako je i dalje previše evidentno da nabacivanjem nasumično odabranih riječi pokušavaš da relativizuješ očigledan primjer da Javier Milei nije zainteresovan da na sebi i friends & family primjenjuje sopstvenu medEcinu

Edited December 22, 2023 by 40Wins
Izbrisan nepristojan deo komentara, suzdrzite se makar na ovoj temi od targetiranja sagovornika, vodite diskusiju argumentima itd.

[boxcube]

12 minutes ago, Beonegro said:

Probaj još malo nepismenije, ovako je i dalje previše evidentno da nabacivanjem nasumično odabranih riječi pokušavaš da relativizuješ očigledan primjer da Javier Milei nije zainteresovan da na sebi i friends & family primjenjuje sopstvenu medEcinu

 

Rec je ispravnim ili neispravnim principima a ne o idealnim ljudima, za koje uzgred znamo da ne mogu da postoje. Ni jedan antikoruptivni zakon nije resio problem korupcije niti to moze da uradi.

[RatzenStadt]

MiNiStRy oF WoMeN, GeNdEr aNd DiVeRsItY...

Evo ne mogu 🤣

 

Beskorisna ministarstva bi i trebalo da budu rasforirana. To je dobro, tako treba.

 

12 hours ago, bohumilo said:

Also on the chopping block—or, rather, in the path of his chainsaw, which Milei carried throughout his campaign to symbolise his intent to slash government spending—was the Ministry of Women, Gender and Diversity.

 

Ne poznajem argentinski ustav, ali prilicno sam siguran da je na vise mesta u istom navedeno da je diskriminacija na osnovu polaroda ili rase nezakonita.

Koliko li je hiljada ljudi zaposlenih u tom ministarstvu, zajedno sa raznim podruznicama i usko povezanim agencijama, bilo papreno placeno od strane poreskih obveznika, a da su bez ikakvog pozitivnog uticaja na drustvo? AFUERA bre!

[Mr Tuvok]

Koga god da je uhlebio, ako ozbiljno ima nameru da razbuca kolektivističko zlo kao što najavljuje, neka je vala. Možda i treba. Takvo zlo se ne može razbucati uz nepouzdane saradnike, samo uz ljude od potpunog poverenja.

[djura.net]

Komplikuje se situacija izmedju Venezuele i Guyane posto je UK ratni brod uplovio u Guyanu gde se planiraju zajednicke vojne vezbe.

Venezuela je odgovorila najavom svojih vojnih vezbi sa oko 5.6k vojnika.

[Mama_mia]

Neke prognoze...da li ce predsednik ekvadora uspeti? (u ratu koji je objavio teroristickim narko bandama)

[Dragan]

– Ekvador utone u haos – šta sada radi predsednik?

Vođe bandi beže, predsednik proglašava vanredno stanje, naoružani ljudi upadnu u TV studio.

Zašto rat između kartela i države eskalira? Najvažnija pitanja i odgovori.

 

Spoiler

Zašto su naoružani ljudi upali u TV studio?

To su bile scene pravo iz Netfliksove serije. Maskirani muškarci dobijaju pristup studiju TV stanice "TC Gvajakil" u utorak i prave haos . Jedan od njih je uperio puљku u voditeljku vesti. Drugi mašu Molotovljevim koktelima pred kamerama. U pozadini, zaposleni na TV-u su oteti kao taoci. Sve ovo se emituje uživo na kanalu. 

To je bilo pokazivanje sile organizovanim kriminalom. Međutim, šta su tačno maskirani muškarci u TV studiju želeli nije jasno. Spekuliše se da su kriminalci želeli da nasilno podignu vanredno stanje koje je prethodno proglasio predsednik Danijel Noboa. Lokalni mediji takođe su izvestili da su maskirani muškarci, svi mladići, želeli da zaustave prebacivanje narko-bosova u zatvore sa maksimalnim obezbeđenjem. Možda će pravosuđe uspeti da otkrije motiv. U međuvremenu, policija je uhapsila kriminalce.

 

Šta je izazvalo nedavni talas nasilja u Ekvadoru?

Poslednji neredi počinju bekstvom narko bosa Žozea Adolfa Maciasa Villamara, poznatog kao Fito. Kriminalac je u nedelju izbio iz svoje zatvorske ćelije u gradu Gvajakil, očigledno uz pomoć dvojice korumpiranih čuvara. Fito se smatra najopasnijim čovekom u Ekvadoru. On je vođa Čonerosa, ekvadorske bande povezane sa meksičkim kartelom Sinaloa u trgovini drogom (pročitajte OVDE kako je kartel Sinaloa prestravio grad).

Njegovo bekstvo je pratio drugi, fabricio Colón Pico. "Kapetan Piko" je vođa Los Lobosa, rivalske ekvadorske bande koja radi sa drugim meksičkim narko kartelom: Cártel de Jalisco Nueva Generación (CJNG).

Policija je na te dve epidemije odgovorila velikim kontingentom. I kriminalne narko bande iskoristile su haos zbog talasa nasilja: izvele su oružane napade i bombaške napade na nekoliko mesta.

 

Šta je sa obezbeđenjem u Ekvadoru?

Lose. Vlade ulažu velike napore u borbi protiv organizovanog kriminala povezanog sa drogom. Nekoliko bandi bori se za kontrolu profitabilnih trgovinskih puteva. Umreženi su sa kartelima iz inostranstva, posebno iz Meksika. Ovo poslednje, sa druge, želi da poveća svoj uticaj i sve više se gura u Ekvador. Kriminalne bande se ne stide oružanih napada, otmica i uzimanja talaca. Stopa ubistava po glavi stanovnika u 2023. godini – 46,5 na 100.000 stanovnika – porasla je osmostruko od 2018. godine i jedna je od najvećih u Južnoj Americi.

 

Od kada je bezbednosna situacija dramatična?

Situacija se poslednjih godina postepeno pogoršavala. Stvari su se brzo spuštale nizbrdo još od pandemije. Masakr 2021. godine u kojem je ubijeno 79 zatvorenika u najvećem zatvoru u zemlji u Gvajakvilu bio je drastičan. Ekvadorske narko bande i njihovi meksički saveznici žele da dobiju kontrolu nad širom oblasti Gvajakila. Najmnogoljudniji grad u zemlji važna je luka za međunarodne puteve krijumčarenja narkotika.

Prošlog avgusta svetska javnost je takođe postala svesna koliko je situacija dramatična. Strani plaćenici pucali su i ubili predsedničkog kandidata Fernanda Vilavicencia na ulici tokom njegove predizborne kampanje. Vilavicencio se otvoreno izjasnio protiv Čonerosa i njihovog lidera Fita. Takođe se smatra da je Fito glavni organizator atentata. Ubistvo je traumatizovalo zemlju (ovde pročitajte sve o Vilavicencio ubistvu ).

 

Zar ekvador nije nekada smatran uzorom zemljom u Južnoj Americi?

Već duže vreme Ekvador je bio jedna od najbezbednijih zemalja u Južnoj Americi, takođe veoma popularna kod švajcarskih bekpekera. Za razliku od Kolumbije, Perua i Bolivije, na primer, malo koke se uzgaja u toj zemlji sa skoro 18 miliona stanovnika. Američka vojska, koja je bila prisutna da zaustavi krijumčarenje narkotika, takođe je garantovala određeni nivo bezbednosti. Međutim, 2009. godine, američka vojska je morala da se povuče po nagoveštenost tadašnjeg levičarskog predsednika Rafaela Koree.

Od tada, Ekvador je postao tranzitna zemlja za kokain. Pored nedostatka prisustva SAD, za to je odgovoran i razvoj događaja u Kolumbiji: narko karteli su tamo sve više prebacili uzgoj na jug, na granicu sa Ekvadorom. Da bi kontrolisali unosne rute, meksički i kolumbijski karteli udružili su se sa ekvadorskim bandama kao što su Čoneros ili Lobos.

 

Kako predsednik Noboa namerava da situaciju podvuce pod kontrolu?

Prvenstveno, vlasti moraju da pronađu vođu bande Fito. U tom smislu, vlada je mobilisala 3.000 pripadnika snaga bezbednosti. Danijel Noboa je u ponedeljak proglasio vanredno stanje na 60 dana nakon što je izbilo brutalno nasilje u nekoliko zatvora. Vojska je sada raspoređena u pritvorskim centrima. Postoji noćni policijski čas za stanovništvo. Noboin prethodnik Giljermo Laso već je nekoliko puta proglasio vanredno stanje. Ni on nije mogao da se uhvati u koštac sa bezbednosnim problemom.

Tokom predizborne kampanje, liberalni Noboa je saopštio da će izgraditi i nove zatvore visoke bezbednosti i zatvorske brodove. U tom, više od sto kilometara od obale, najteži kriminalci trebalo je da budu uhapšeni i izolovani. Za svoj plan, Noboa je u kontaktu sa predsednikom El Salvadora Najibom Bukeleom. On vlada na autoritarni način, ali je zaustavio nasilje narko bandi u njegovoj zemlji i značajno poboljšao bezbednosnu situaciju. 

 

Droga => velike pare => zakon jacega => tesko da ce tamo skoro biti mira.

 

Edited January 12 by Dragan

[Mama_mia]

Pa da, naravno videla sam sve te vesti jos kada su se desavale ali nije se ovde komentarisalo....pa se pitam da li ce predsednik uspeti u tome sto je naumio 

[bohumilo]

Ćavi deregulisao tržište nekretnina, ponuda u Buenos Airesu preko noći duplirana, cene opale za 20%

 

The Rental Law died: the supply of apartments in CABA has already doubled and prices have fallen

https://www.cronista.com/negocios/murio-la-ley-de-alquileres-ya-se-duplico-la-oferta-de-departamentos-en-caba-y-caen-los-precios/

 

The end of the  Rental Law  generated an almost immediate impact on the real estate market. Since the repeal of Javier Milei's DNU came into effect , the supply of apartments in the City of Buenos Aires has already doubled, according to data from the Argentine Real Estate Chamber (CIA) , and prices have already dropped, so far, by 20 % , say the brokers in the sector.

 

Ko bi rekao da sloboda funkcioniše...

 

 

Lufthanzom u Davos (tj. prvo u Frankfurt, jer tamo sleće) 👍

Ušteda 392k dolara. Ostali će privatnim letovima, pa će odozgo, kada stignu, od DRUGIH ljudi da traže vraćanje na srednjevekovne oblike proizvodnje energije (i srednjevekovno društveno uređenje)...

[bohumilo]

A u Davosu lekcija iz ekonomije, istorije, prava i etike:

Edited January 19 by bohumilo