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Just now, Amigo said:

 

Najbolje bi bilo da ti mene popustis, jer ja nemam nikakve zelje da sa tobom o bilo cemu raspravljam. Razlog znas.

Ko je tebi bilo sta pisao, samo si se nakacio i sad kao ja tebe. Covece ja te prodjem i ne primetim da sam prosao! 😛

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25 minutes ago, mrd said:

To je tvoj nivo. Najvaznije je da si ipak shvatio. 

 

12 minutes ago, Amigo said:

 

Najbolje bi bilo da ti mene popustis, jer ja nemam nikakve zelje da sa tobom o bilo cemu raspravljam. Razlog znas.

 

Pošto ste već bili opomenuti, bez efekta očigledno, odmorićete po 24h.

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46 minutes ago, Amigo said:

 

To nije nikada dokazano, ali su demokrate smislile taktiku ispiranja mozga, ako se nesto ponavlja iz dana u dan iz sata u sat, da ce vecina naroda da na kraju povjeruje u to.

Evo sada CNN stalno potencira da je Trampovo stanje daleko gore nego sto je. TV stanica kojoj ne moze nista da se vjeruje, nesto poputd nevnika Pinka.

 

Mislim nema potrebe da me ubjedjujes da treba da Biden dodje na vlast. Ja ne zivim u SAD, ali da zivim dao bih glas Trampu, samo zato sto je Biden pripadnik Klinton klana sa druge strane.

 

Robert Mueller je prikupio stranice i stranice i rekao da ne oslobadja Trampa, ali ne moze da mu se sudi dok je predsednik. To sta su nasli a sta ne cemo cuti jednog dana. 

 

Mozes ti da ne verujes CNN, ali to je ono sto kaze njegov lekar. Uporno ne verujes CNN i uporno gledas CNN 😄 

 

Nema ja sta tebe da ubedjujem za Bajdena, glasaci ce reci ko ce doci na vlast a elektorali presuditi. 

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On 10/1/2020 at 9:41 PM, MrTripleDouble said:

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Mali update sto se tice kvota.
Vec je receno da su na ovoj slici kvote za "Popular Vote" i nikada verujem nije ni bilo dileme da ce Bajden pobediti u toj kategoriji. Uostalom, i Hilari je odnela pobedu sa oko 2 miliona glasaca vise od Trampa 2016-e.

 

Kvote su na kraju 2019-e i pre izglasavanja predstavnika Demsa bile oko 1,30 na Trumpa, ali mu je korona (i oni silni protesti) toliko sasekla poverenje da je (posto je vec bilo poznato da ce Bajden biti kandidat Demsa) vec u Maju kvota na Bajdena bila oko 1,5.
Od tada krece blagi uspon Trampa i poslednjih meseci se kvota na njega i Bajdena kretala u rasponu 1,8-2.
Onda se desila afera zvana "750$" pre 15-ak dana i kvota na pobedu Bajdena pala je za 15% u jednom danu. Vrlo brzo je usledila i prva medjusobna debata kandidata, ali nista dobro nije donela Trampu i kvota je nastavila da pada na Bajdena. Sada je 1,45-1,5.


Prilicno redovno pratim kretanje kvota za ove izbore. Po navici to radim, jer sam uvek verovao da kladionice najbolje procene "stanje na terenu", ili da su najiskreniji u predvidjanjima, jer za razliku od npr medijskih kuca nemaju interes da uticu na glasace na bilo koji nacin ili sire (subverzivnu) propagandu. Njima posao zavisi od toga 😄 .

 

No, moje poverenje u njih je prilicno poljuljano od izbora 2016-e kada je kvota na pobedu Hilari protiv Trampa bila 1,2 (dakle ne popular vote, nego Outright).
Iste godine, kvota na Brexit je bila 1,3 na opciju "Ne".

Dva ogromna promasaja.

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50 minutes ago, RatzenStadt said:

 

Mali update sto se tice kvota.
Vec je receno da su na ovoj slici kvote za "Popular Vote" i nikada verujem nije ni bilo dileme da ce Bajden pobediti u toj kategoriji. Uostalom, i Hilari je odnela pobedu sa oko 2 miliona glasaca vise od Trampa 2016-e.

 

Kvote su na kraju 2019-e i pre izglasavanja predstavnika Demsa bile oko 1,30 na Trumpa, ali mu je korona (i oni silni protesti) toliko sasekla poverenje da je (posto je vec bilo poznato da ce Bajden biti kandidat Demsa) vec u Maju kvota na Bajdena bila oko 1,5.
Od tada krece blagi uspon Trampa i poslednjih meseci se kvota na njega i Bajdena kretala u rasponu 1,8-2.
Onda se desila afera zvana "750$" pre 15-ak dana i kvota na pobedu Bajdena pala je za 15% u jednom danu. Vrlo brzo je usledila i prva medjusobna debata kandidata, ali nista dobro nije donela Trampu i kvota je nastavila da pada na Bajdena. Sada je 1,45-1,5.


Prilicno redovno pratim kretanje kvota za ove izbore. Po navici to radim, jer sam uvek verovao da kladionice najbolje procene "stanje na terenu", ili da su najiskreniji u predvidjanjima, jer za razliku od npr medijskih kuca nemaju interes da uticu na glasace na bilo koji nacin ili sire (subverzivnu) propagandu. Njima posao zavisi od toga 😄 .

No, moje poverenje u njih je prilicno poljuljano od izbora 2016-e kada je kvota na pobedu Hilari protiv Trampa bila 1,2 (dakle ne popular vote, nego Outright).
Iste godine, kvota na Brexit je bila 1,3 na opciju "Ne".

Ma ja sam imbecil, mislio sam da je ova kvota na slici koju sam stavio za pobedu na izborima. Nisam video da je Popular vote. Doduse bilo mi je i dosta cudno jer jer kvota par dana pre toga kad sam bacio pogled bila tipa 1.8-1.9 u korist Trampa, al rekoh bila kampanja, 1na1 duel, mozda ga je Bajden satro. :classic_smile:

 

 

Otprilike znam sta je Popular vote, ali ako nekoga ne mrzi i u materiji je neka malo detaljnije objasni, ty.

 

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Popular vote = ukupan/kumulativan broj glasova osvojenih na celoj teritoriji SAD-a (nema preveliki znacaj u izborima za predsednika USA)
Electoral vote (vazeci sistem u SAD) = ukupan broj izbornickih glasova gledajuci sve federalne jedinice. Ne znam kako se tacno odredjuje broj izbornickih glasova koje ima svaka drzava. Mislim da je po broju stanovnika, ali nemoj da me drzis za rec. Treba imati u vidu da svaka drzava daje pobednickom kandidatu iz te drzave onoliki broj izbornickih glasova koji ima ta drzava. Sta hocu da kazem? Ako uzmemo za primer Kaliforniju, vidimo da ona donosi najvise izbornickih glasova - 55. Apsoluto je nebitno da li ce kandidat osvojiti pobedu u toj drzavi za jedan glas, ili sa razlikom od 5 miliona glasova, pobednicki kandidat ce da dobije 55 izbornickih glasova koje posle ulaze u ukupan zbir, a gubitnicki dobija krompir.

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Ako su polovi tacni Biden uzima 'ladno i za Srbiju dolaze crni dani, sto se tice saradnje sa SAD. Demokrate ce uciniti sve buduce sporazume naprave sto gore za Srbiju.

Nadajmo se da ce se ponoviti nesto slicno kao sto je bilo na proslim izborima uprkos i tadasnjim predvidjanjima da pobjedjuje HIlari, ali tesko, jer ulozena je ogromna propagandna masinerija protiv Trampa koja traje vec 4 godine, bez ikakvog prekida, non-stop.

I sama Amerika ce osjetiti posljedice, porezi ce se povecati, standard ce sigurno pasti, cak mozda svuci paradoksalno, ali ni protesti na ulicama nece prestati, a i zasto bi, vratice se occupy ovo/ono itd. Postoje realne sanse da Kamala preuzme sve u svoje ruke, jer Biden nece biti fizicki u stanju da odgovori tako zahtijevnoj funkciji, a ona je isto tako totalno nepouzdana i nestabilna, ko zna kakve ideje ce pokusavati da sprovodi.

Ako se ovo obistini Tramp ce ostati i njegovim sadasnjim protivnicima, jedna lijepa uspomena.

Nadam se da ce ipak The Donald ostati jos 4 godine i da demokrate konacno pronadju nekoga normalnog za svog lidera.

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Samo za neobaveštene. Da su republikanci napali Srbiju oni bi još uvek bili tamo. Pogledati istoriju lupanja šamara.
Što se Srbije tiče tamo su crni dani svaki dan i pez demokrata. [emoji14]

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5 hours ago, Amigo said:

Nadajmo se da ce se ponoviti nesto slicno kao sto je bilo na proslim izborima uprkos i tadasnjim predvidjanjima da pobjedjuje HIlari, ali tesko, jer ulozena je ogromna propagandna masinerija protiv Trampa koja traje vec 4 godine, bez ikakvog prekida, non-stop.

 

Propaganda je ogromna i neumoljiva ali i Tramp je dosta doprineo svojim ponašanjem, izjavama i tvitovima. Takođe je korona kriza znatno doprinela padu popularnosti što mediji uspešno spinuju kao isključivo odgovornost Trampa i federalne administracije. Amerika je u dubokom problemu ma ko da pobedi na ovim izborima. 

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Ja sam prilicno siguran da ako Biden pobedi Srbija nece biti u fokusu ama ič. Pozitivna strana je što u tom slučaju neće biti ograničavanja saradnje sa Kinom. Biden ce ionako brzo napustiti tu poziciju (2-4 god), a Kamalu Balkan neće previše zanimati. Svakako nema prostora za neku bliskiju saradnju, ali ne mora nužno da bude loše. 

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1 hour ago, Selektor said:

Ja sam prilicno siguran da ako Biden pobedi Srbija nece biti u fokusu ama ič. Pozitivna strana je što u tom slučaju neće biti ograničavanja saradnje sa Kinom. Biden ce ionako brzo napustiti tu poziciju (2-4 god), a Kamalu Balkan neće previše zanimati. Svakako nema prostora za neku bliskiju saradnju, ali ne mora nužno da bude loše. 

 

Tjesi se, imas pravo.

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3 hours ago, Amigo said:

 

Tjesi se, imas pravo.

 

Ko vas truje time? Da nije CNN 😄 

Juce pricam sa drugaricom, Kubanka poreklom, pitam jel glasas, kaze ona nikada nisam, mrzim Trampa ali ako dodje Bajden bice komunizam pa cu morati 🙄 Zena profesor matematike, baci pogled tu i tamo na politiku i ocas je zatrovali propagandom. 

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Ko vas truje time? Da nije CNN [emoji1] 
Juce pricam sa drugaricom, Kubanka poreklom, pitam jel glasas, kaze ona nikada nisam, mrzim Trampa ali ako dodje Bajden bice komunizam pa cu morati [emoji849] Zena profesor matematike, baci pogled tu i tamo na politiku i ocas je zatrovali propagandom. 
Možda i nisu? Mislim zatrovali, razmisli, tvoje pare hoće da ulažu, a ne svoje. Mslm, za opšte dobro.

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1 hour ago, mrd said:

Možda i nisu? Mislim zatrovali, razmisli, tvoje pare hoće da ulažu, a ne svoje. Mslm, za opšte dobro.

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Nece moje nego Bezosove 😄 Rado bih se menjala sa njim pa ulagala taksom... Ostalo bi mi i onda za jedno 200 zivota. Za komunizam je potrebno ne da opale takse 1% najbogatijima, nego da prisvoje sve privatne poslove i privatna vlasnistva. Tu je Tramp blizi od Bajdena, nije li im onomad Tramp naredjivao (pokusavao) da vracaju poslove u Ameriku iz Kine? Te sreca su ga samo bledo gledali.. 

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Danas je na rasporedu debata izmedju kandidata za podpredsednika (Pence vs. Harris).

 

Za zainteresovane, koji su budni, moze se uzivo na netu pratiti ovde:

 

Wednesday, October 7

9-10:30 PM EDT on ABC · CBS · FOX · NBC · PBS

Stream: C-SPAN · CBSN · ABC · NBC · PBS

Apps: ABC News · CBS News · CNN · Fox News · NBC News

Moderator: Susan Page

Location: University of Utah, Salt Lake City

Format: Nine segments of approximately 10 minutes each

 

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Ja sam očekivao snimak u 7h ujutro, kao što je bilo za Tramp-Bajden, ali nije ga bilo tako da čitam reakcije trenutno po medijima. Vidim da je Kamala uspela da priča dosta o koroni a to u startu znači da Pens nije imao šansu da dođe do izražaja jer se verovatno samo branio a to je nemoguća misija. Od ostalih tema vidim da se pričalo o haosu na ulicama tu sigurno nije imao gde da poentira Pens. Oko ostalih tema ekologija (ovo sam primetio da je i Tramp pokušao da forsira mada mi nije jasno šta tu pokušavaju posle fijaska sa Gretom i ostalim stvarima vezanim za ovu temu) i o plaćanju poreza. Jedino gde je Pens poentirao je praktično priča o Bajdenovom sinu i poslovima sa Kinezima koje je imao. Mislim da će se fokusirati na tu temu u nastavku kampanje jer je to jedino gde mogu da idu u "ofanzivu". Nisam naišao na info šta je Heris odgovorila na to.

 

No debatu je ipak obeležio neko treći ko im je umalo oteo šou :

 

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Voditeljka je odradila mnogo bolji posao mada je imala propust da joj je Pens non stop probijao vreme određeno za odgovor. Vidim da joj se prigovara što joj nisu odgovarali na pitanja ali realno u ovom konceptu emisije to je nemoguće sprovesti. Može da vraća gosta na to pitanje ali time mu samo daje sve više i više vremena, parktično ga nagrađuje što ne odgovara na pitanja. To može samo u emisijama 1 na 1.

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5 hours ago, Klotzen said:

Ja sam očekivao snimak u 7h ujutro, kao što je bilo za Tramp-Bajden, ali nije ga bilo tako da čitam reakcije trenutno po medijima. Vidim da je Kamala uspela da priča dosta o koroni a to u startu znači da Pens nije imao šansu da dođe do izražaja jer se verovatno samo branio a to je nemoguća misija. Od ostalih tema vidim da se pričalo o haosu na ulicama tu sigurno nije imao gde da poentira Pens. Oko ostalih tema ekologija (ovo sam primetio da je i Tramp pokušao da forsira mada mi nije jasno šta tu pokušavaju posle fijaska sa Gretom i ostalim stvarima vezanim za ovu temu) i o plaćanju poreza. Jedino gde je Pens poentirao je praktično priča o Bajdenovom sinu i poslovima sa Kinezima koje je imao. Mislim da će se fokusirati na tu temu u nastavku kampanje jer je to jedino gde mogu da idu u "ofanzivu". Nisam naišao na info šta je Heris odgovorila na to.

 

Sve si pogresno procitao ili razumio. Pens je bio ubjedljivo bolji u svakom segmentu.

 

Najveci spam koji sire demokrate ovih dana je da je Tramp prvi predsjednik kod koga se smanjila zaposlenost, naravno ne spominjuci pandemiju. Pa zar stvarno misle da su ljudi toliko glupi.

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5 hours ago, A sad said:

Pens ponovo sjajan. Ubedljivo je dobio debatu.     ................

 

Pa, zavisi koga pitas. Ankete pokazuju da su utisci "navijacki" - pripadnici stranki redom misle da je "njihov" kandidat bio bolji.

Oboje su izbegavali da direktno i jasno odgovore na neka pitanja, a Pence je i iritirao prekoracujuci vreme.

 

Jedna pristojna analiza je ovde:

Who Won the Vice Presidential Debate Between Pence and Harris? Analysis and Highlights



Who Won the Vice Presidential Debate Between Pence and Harris? Analysis and Highlights

In his Wednesday night debate with Senator Kamala Harris, Vice President Mike Pence defended Donald Trump as ably as anyone could, given that the resurgent COVID-19 crisis, which Pence is in charge of handling, meant that the debate had to be conducted with plexiglass dividers.

 

But it's likely that nothing Pence said threatened former Vice President Joe Biden's lead. And nothing he did dislodged a determined fly from his head where it landed—and stayed—for nearly two minutes as he championed the Trump administration's support for law enforcement.

The fly was the elephant in the room, as it were: a reminder that no matter how strongly Pence portrayed the administration through its accomplishments, it's impossible to ignore the missteps.

 

Harris and Pence's 90-minute debate at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City was the calm after the storm that was the debate between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. Both wanted more time to address voters during their one and only debate, but they kept the interruptions to a minimum, although they argued over what constituted a "fact."

 

Harris scored in finding an opportunity to share her personal story as the daughter of a Jamaican father and Indian mother. She also avoided moments that would make it easy to dismiss her as an "angry Black woman" or "unlikeable"—unfair but unavoidable standards that a woman, and especially a woman of color, probably had to meet.

 

Throughout the night, Pence consistently championed the Trump administration as being fighters for the American people and defended their much-criticized response to the new coronavirus pandemic by asserting, basically, that it could have been worse. Pence leads the administration's coronavirus task force, so criticism of Trump's response ultimately falls on him.

 

Along with pressuring Harris into answering whether Biden would pack the Supreme Court—a question she didn't answer—Pence was a master at the art of redirection. Even in seemingly unrelated segments, Pence brought the conversation back to the financial impact a Biden administration would have on the everyday American.

 

Pence hit Harris for her long-standing support of the Green New Deal, saying it would "bury" the economy and pointed to mandates it would put on Americans at a time when some are feeling frustrated at restrictions that were implemented by the new coronavirus. He also hammered the argument that Biden would ban fracking, thereby putting people out of work, and repeal Trump's tax cut that Pence told voters put more money in Americans' pockets.

 

Harris didn't argue her support for the Green New Deal, but said at least twice that Biden will not "end fracking." While she disagreed with much of what Pence had to say during the debate, her staunchest opposition was to his comments about Biden's plan for Americans' taxes.

 

"That's not what I said," Harris retorted when Pence commented that moments earlier, she said Biden would raise taxes. Biden, she said, had been "very clear" that he wouldn't raise taxes except on those who make over $400,000 a year. It's a move that may bode well for Harris, as only an estimated one or two percent of Americans fall within that bracket, so voters who were paying attention to the senator's response may dismiss Pence's assertion that Biden will raise taxes.

 

Whereas Pence kept his signature formal demeanor and even tone, Harris used a minor slip up on the moderator's part to send a message to voters that she's an ordinary person, just like them. When Susan Page, Washington Bureau Chief for USA Today, called her "Kamala Harris" before quickly correcting herself to address her as "Senator Harris," the senator smiled and said, "That's okay, I'm Kamala." In other moments, she took a firmer tone, requesting that Pence not interrupt her and that she be granted appropriate time to respond.

 

At times, Pence interrupted Harris, potentially hurting him with some voters, but for others, his even keel could provide much needed balance to a Trump ticket for voters who prefer a more traditional politician.

 

In most elections, the vice presidential debate takes a back seat to the presidential debates but as has been the case with most things in 2020, this year is different. Between the interruptions and talking over each other, voters learned little from the first debate so they may have been looking to Pence and Harris to explain the America that awaits them if their ticket wins in November.

 

The issue of the new coronavirus was quite literally center stage at the debate—as both candidates sat behind plexiglass to prevent infection—and Harris came out strong calling it the "greatest failure of any presidential administration" in America's history. She pointed to the number of deaths and cases, as well as segments of journalist Bob Woodward's book that revealed that Trump had been told early on about how serious the outbreak was, potentially sowing doubt in voters' minds about how much trust they could put in the administration.

 

In making her points about the White House's strategy, she repeatedly brought it back to how it directly impacted individual Americans. She asked them to consider the difference it would have made to their own lives if they were privy to the same information the administration had and linked the "ineptitude" of the Trump administration's response with the financial hardship of individuals.

"This administration stood on information that if you had as a parent, if you had as a worker knowing you didn't have enough money saved up and now you're standing in a food line because of the ineptitude of an administration that was unwilling to speak the truth to the American people," Harris said.

 

Pence, who heads the White House's Coronavirus Task Force, pushed back against Harris' criticism of their strategy. Shifting focus back to the administration's key talking points, he highlighted the suspension of travel from China, backing it up with praise from Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). He also fought against Harris' criticism that the Trump administration failed to keep people properly informed by using comments from Fauci, who is widely respected for being a truth teller, that Trump regurgitated what was said in the Oval Office during press briefings.

 

Pence knocked Biden's plan, which Harris said would create a national strategy for contact tracing and testing and a vaccine that's free for everyone, as being an "awful lot" like what Trump had been doing. Opening up the possibility he created a narrative that had someone else been in office, the result would be the same.

 

Harris didn't address specific differences in the strategies, instead saying it was "clear" that what the administration has done "hasn't worked," a missed opportunity to highlight "what could have been" with Biden as president.

Pence twisted her words around to be a reflection that what Americans did "hasn't worked," adding that it's a "great disservice to the sacrifices the American people have made."

 

On the issue of health care, Harris homed in on the Trump administration's danger to people with pre-existing conditions, and despite a shake of the head or a comment here or there, Pence offered no concrete plan for how the administration would reform health care while protecting those with pre-existing conditions.

But, Pence stayed firmly on message and the repeated comments could plant the belief that when it comes to the economy, the president is the better choice.

 

Both candidates dodged and even flat-out avoided questions they didn't want to answer, but one thing is certain: voters likely learned vastly more than they did in the debate with Biden and Trump.

 

In short: Harris performed about as well as she needed to, and Pence, a bit better. But given the lack of fireworks or stunning moments, it's unlikely that this debate changed anybody's mind. That makes it a win for Biden, since polls increasingly show him pulling away.

izvor: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate-between-pence-and-harris-analysis-and-highlights/ar-BB19OpzS?ocid=msedgdhp

 

 

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1 hour ago, Amigo said:

 

Sve si pogresno procitao ili razumio. Pens je bio ubjedljivo bolji u svakom segmentu.

 

Najveci spam koji sire demokrate ovih dana je da je Tramp prvi predsjednik kod koga se smanjila zaposlenost, naravno ne spominjuci pandemiju. Pa zar stvarno misle da su ljudi toliko glupi.

 

Cedio je Pence suvu drenovinu. Verovatno da bolje nije mogao. Ipak je sada presudno kako ce Trump izgledati na debatama posle korone. Mislim da ce forsirati pricu da Biden nije mentalno i fizicki spreman da bude predsednik, a da je on čak i sa koronom vispreniji i sposobniji. Videcemo koliko ce u tome uspeti. Forsirace pricu oko Hanteta, ali se bojim da ce mu u finisu trebati nesto jace da bi okrenuo situaciju u svoju korist. Iako to tako sada ne izgleda, ne treba mu mnogo da trijumfalno finišira. 

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2 hours ago, Amigo said:

 

Sve si pogresno procitao ili razumio. Pens je bio ubjedljivo bolji u svakom segmentu.

 

Najveci spam koji sire demokrate ovih dana je da je Tramp prvi predsjednik kod koga se smanjila zaposlenost, naravno ne spominjuci pandemiju. Pa zar stvarno misle da su ljudi toliko glupi.

 

U kojim segmentima tacno? Sva pitanja su bila ona koja ni malo ne idu na ruku republikancima, a Pens je ponavaljao "nikada u istoriji bolji predsednik od Trampa..." blabla i onda slobodne procene da bi umrlo vise nego sto jeste i razne fantazije pred spavanje. Interesante su mi te izjave za broj umrlih, pa se pitam gde su svojevoljno postavili granicu, na milion, dva, pet? 

Zena ih pita i u pitanju kaze, parafraziram "najveci procenat smrtnosti od razvijenih zemalja" a ona kaze kako su oni odradili bogovski posao.... Debata za debile.

 

Nije briljirala ni Kamala, ali on je totalno izgubljen u republikanskom svemiru. Tacno se vidi da prica sto mora i sto mu je receno da govori, a ne sta veruje... Sve u svemu, dosadno da dosadnije biti ne moze, cak se i muva smorila. 

 

 

Evo da dodam transkript 

 

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/kamala-harris-mike-pence-2020-vice-presidential-debate-transcript

 

pa slobodno pogledajte sto je Pens prekoracivao vreme i sta je to rekao svaki put kada je pokusala da ga zaustavi - nista (mi vernici se molimo za duse umrlih, Tramp je ekstra, mi smo fantasticni...) 💤

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