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21 hours ago, wwww said:

Pariz i WTF bez poraza  - bice ispred Novaka 590 bodova

Sada je ostala još samo ova opcija.

 

Pametan je Medvedev sa izbegavanjem turnira koje nose malo bodova, biće vremena za prvo mesto, već sledeće godine. Novak će svakako pasti sam zbog svojih godina. 

 

Novak da zaokruži samo još ovu godinu sa prvim mestom i to mu je dovoljno u karijeri. Sledeće godine je već nerealno da se juri prvo mesto čitave godine, iako bi možda imao municije za tako nešto, ipak glavni prioritet bi trebalo da ostanu samo slemovi. U zavisnosti šta Novak uradi na AO, ako ne osvoji, verujem da će prvo mesto pustiti niz vodu.

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ako su proracuni tacni, Novak teorijski moze izgubiti i prvo mesto na rejsu i br.1 na zvanicnoj listi do kraja godine, samo pod sledecim okolnostima:

 

da ne odigra nista do kraja sezone,

da u preostale 4 atp sedmice Medo i Cici igraju sva 4 finala (Bec 500, Pariz 1000, Stokholm 250 i Torino 1500),

i da grk pobedi u sva 4.

 

u tom slucaju bi Medvedev zavrsio prvi na rejsu, a Cicipas izbio na celo atp liste i docekao novu godinu kao 1. igrac sveta.

 

Jolita kaze da ceka zvanican izlazak zreba za Bec bez Mede pa ce objaviti, tako da je to verovatno to.

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Ma Grka ne bih računao iz principa. Nemoguće je da on bude prvi.

 

Medvedev 100% neće igrati Beč i sve će se svesti na Pariz i Torino.

 

Medvdedev mora da osvoji Pariz da bi ostao u igri za YE#1 i to da ne igra protiv Novaka, tj. da on kiksne u drugom, trećem kolu.

 

Novak samo ako se oklizne na koru od banane i povredi se, Medvedev tada ima šansu da završi kao prvi, a i tad će biti preteško, jer treba imati makar finale Pariza i osvojen WTF.

 

Čak i da se desi neki neočekivan poraz, tu je opet svakako Torino gde se opet može imati poraz da bi se prošla grupa.

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11 hours ago, wwww said:

@Yolitatennis

RANKINGS UPDATE FOR THE#NOLEFAM

It is now mathematically impossible for Novak to lose the #1 ranking before January 10, 2022.

 

 

pade Panco kao zrela kruska … sad i formalno 🙂

 

ostaju rejs trka i ITF dodele ali to ne menja stvari posto novu godinu docekuje kao #1

 

jos jedno kolosalno postignuce .....

 

 

Novak Djokovic      2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2020, 2021.

Pancho Gonzales   1952, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960.
William Renshaw   1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1889.
Bill Tilden               1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1931.
Rod Laver              1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970.
Pete Sampras        1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998.
Ken Rosewall         1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1970.
Jimmy Connors     1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982.

* an undisputed number one player for the year is shown in bold
  (without another player regarded as co-number one)

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7 minutes ago, Cojep said:

 

 

pade Panco kao zrela kruska … sad i formalno 🙂

 

ostaju rejs trka i ITF dodele ali to ne menja stvari posto novu godinu docekuje kao #1

 

jos jedno kolosalno postignuce .....

 

 

Novak Djokovic      2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2020, 2021.

Pancho Gonzales   1952, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960.
William Renshaw   1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1889.
Bill Tilden               1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1931.
Rod Laver              1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970.
Pete Sampras        1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998.
Ken Rosewall         1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1970.
Jimmy Connors     1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982.

* an undisputed number one player for the year is shown in bold
  (without another player regarded as co-number one)

ako sam dobro shvatila:

bold znaci da je teniser zavrsio godinu i kao #1 na ATP listi, a i proglasen je od ITF-a kao najbolji te godine (zbog najboljeg performansa na GS-ovima),

a obicna "slova" znace da je neko drugi uzeo jednu od ove dve "titule" gore.

jesam li dobro shvatila?

 

u tom slucaju bi trebalo da je Novak vec obezbedio i ITF "titulu" najboljeg ove godine.

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From 1973 onward: merit-based ATP rankings

 

In August 1973 the ATP introduced its own rankings. These were published 11 times that year and with increasing frequency the following years until 1979 when from that year on they were published weekly. In the 1970s and 1980s they did not take into account certain events, such as the Davis Cup, the WCT Finals and the Masters (currently named the ATP Finals. Since 1990 the ATP does award points for ATP Finals. As well, the ATP point rankings did not award the Grand Slam tournaments which most often attracted the most top-ranked players in the world (Wimbledon and the U.S. Open) and, therefore, were the most valuable to win in the minds of both players and tennis journalists, a number of points commensurate with their importance. Some events[which?] which did not attract many or even a couple top-ranked players but offered high prize money were worth a higher number of points than their perceived importance.

 

 

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Disputed rankings

Other rankings proposed by tennis experts or by the players themselves could be more accurate because they included these events and adjusted the rankings to reflect the actual importance of particular tournaments. From 1973 to 2006 this list sometimes differs from the ATP list because it shows journalists (or even players) rankings released at the time and not the computer-based point rankings. In particular, Connors has been ranked No. 1, at the end of the year, from 1974 to 1978 by the ATP but the majority disagreed with the computer rankings: in 1975 leading journalists including John Barrett, Bud Collins, Barry Lorge and Judith Elian ranked Arthur Ashe as the No. 1 in the world while his ATP ranking was only 4th; in 1977, no one, except the ATP ranking, considered that Connors was the best player in the world, and everyone thought that Borg and Vilas were the top two tennis players; and in 1978 everyone and, in particular, the ITF recognized that Borg was the World Champion. In 1982 and 1989, respectively, Connors and Becker, both winners of Wimbledon and the US Open, were considered as World Champions even though the ATP ranked McEnroe and Lendl as No. 1 in those years. Since the mid-'90s the ATP rankings have generally been accepted by many as the official rankings (but in 1999 many considered Sampras as the second best player in the world while the ATP ranked Kafelnikov 2nd). Since 1978 the ITF (represented at the beginning by Sedgman, Hoad and Trabert) has designated its World Champion.

 

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On 10/23/2021 at 11:20 AM, wwww said:

in 1977, no one, except the ATP ranking, considered that Connors was the best player in the world, and everyone thought that Borg and Vilas were the top two tennis players

 

malo o toj cudnovatoj 1977. kad su prvi i poslednji put u Open eri cak tri igraca slovila za najboljeg te godine.
tad su odrzana dva Australian Opena, Konors je uglavnom igrao na WCT turu, a i Vilas i Borg su se prilicno vesto izbegavali ... otuda i malo medjusobnih okrsaja ove trojke obzirom na ogroman broj odigranih turnira i meceva te sezone.

 

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Year-end computer rankings, 31. Dec. 1977.

 

1. Jimmy Connors USA    
2. Guillermo Vilas ARG
3. Bjorn Borg SWE

4. Vitas Gerulaitis USA
5. Brian Gottfried USA
6. Eddie Dibbs USA
7. Manuel Orantes ESP
8. Raul Ramirez MEX
9. Ilie Nastase ROU
10. Dick Stockton USA

 

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Guillermo Vilas 1977. season 136-14 W-L
16 titles
Springfield - Buenos Aires 1 - Virginia Beach - Roland Garros - Kitzbuhel - Washington - Louisville - South Orange - Columbus - US Open - Paris - Tehran - Bogota - Santiago - Buenos Aires 2 - Johanesburg 2
6 finalist
Australian Open 1 - Baltimore - Palm Springs - Johanesburg 1 - Nice - Aix en Provence

 

Bjorn Borg 1977. season 78-7 W-L
12 titles
Boca Raton - Memphis - Nice - Monte Carlo - Denver - Wimbledon - Hilton Head - Madrid - Barcelona - Basel - Cologne - Wembley
2 finalist
Johanesburg - NY Masters

 

Jimmy Connors 1977. season 69-11 W-L
8 titles
Birmingham - St Louis - Las Vegas 1 - Dallas WCT - Maui - Sydney - Las Vegas 2  - NY Masters
6 finalist
Philadelphia - Toronto - Wimbledon - Boca Raton - Indianapolis - US Open

 

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1977. H2H

 

Borg - Vilas 3-0
Nice F clay Borg 6-4 1-6 6-2 6-0
Monte Carlo SF clay Borg 6-2 6-3
NY Masters SF carpet Borg 6-3 6-3

 

Borg - Connors 2-1
Boca Raton F clay Borg 6-4 5-7 6-3
Wimbledon F grass Borg 3-6 6-2 6-1 5-7 6-4
NY Masters F carpet Connors 6-4 1-6 6-4

 

Vilas - Connors 2-0
US Open F clay Vilas 2-6 6-3 7-6 6-0
NY Masters RR carpet Vilas 6-4 3-6 7-5

 

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1977. H2H vs Top 10

 

Borg 16-3
Connors 15-8
Vilas 13-5

 


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Pustite kompjutere, neka ljudi odluče

 

17. januar 1978. Associated Press

 

"Od sada će svi znati ko je pravi i jedini šampion", uzviknuo je mesije Filip Šatrije, predsednik Međunarodne Teniske Federacije (ITF) na jučerašnjoj pres-konferenciji u Parizu. Počevši od sledeće godine, ITF će nam preko "ekspertskog panela" u januaru, objaviti ko je najbolji na svetu u muškoj i ženskoj konkurenciji.

 

Drugim rečima, dođavola više sa kompjuterima i sistemima bodovanja, ovi posmatrači će vam sledećeg januara reći ko su bili najbolji u ovoj godini:

 

Muškarci: Don Badž, Fred Peri, Lu Houd.

 

Žene: Margaret Kort, Margaret Dupont, En Džouns

 

Da, to su višestruki osvajači grend slem trofeja - Vimbldona, Forest Hilsa, Pariza, Australije - i da, konačna odluka će se u velikoj meri oslanjati na učinak kandidata na istim tim turnirima. Na izbor će takođe uticati i Dejvis Kup, Masters i WCT finale - za muškarce, kao i Fed Kup, Virdžinija Slims i finale serije Kolgejt - za žene.

 

Ljudski element pri izboru je neophodan, kaže Šatrije, zbog subjektivnih faktora kao što je Dejvis Kup: „Igrač kao što je Giljermo Vilas, na primer, nema dostojnog partnera koji bi mu pomogao da prebrodi ranu fazu Dejvis Kupa. Sa druge strane, bilo bi nepravedno izostaviti Dejvis Kup pri donošenju odluke."

 

Predsedavajući je još rekao: „Mislimo da je bilo dosta sa proglašenjima takozvanih nezvaničnih šampiona - posebno u Sjedinjenim Državama, gde su sva trojica (Vilas, Džimi Konors i Bjorn Borg) našli svoju stručnu podršku kao svetski broj 1 za 1977. godinu“.

 

I neće biti novčane nagrade za ovo ITF priznanje - "Ne želimo da nas uhvati sve veća komercijalizacija sporta. Nećemo dozvoliti bilo kakvo sponzorstvo ove titule". . .

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Top 20 igraci po godistima - najbolji plasman

 

1990.  Raonic 3 , Goffin 7 , Janowicz 14 , Pella 20
1991.   Dimitrov 3 , Carreno Busta 10
1992.  Schwartzman 8 , Sock 8 , Basilashvili 16 , Cecchinato 16 , Tomic 17
1993.  Thiem 3 , Karatsev 19
1994.  Pouille 10
1995.  Kyrgios 13 , Edmund 14 , Norrie 14
1996.  Medvedev 2 , Berrettini 7 , Khachanov 8 , Coric 12 , Garin 17 , Chung 19
1997.   Zverev 3 , Rublev 5 , Hurkacz 10 , Opelka 19
1998.  Tsitsipas 3 , Ruud 8
1999.  Shapovalov 10 , De Minaur 15
2000.  Auger-Aliassime 11
2001.  Sinner 11

 

Nori i Karacev malo popravili saldo svojih vrsnika.. a mozda im se u dogledno vreme pridruze Evans, Sonego, Fucovic & co

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@wwww to je lista s Vikipedije u koju su ubačeni svi godišnji prvi, po nečijem izboru, ima objašnjenje (ranije, birali ih sportski časopisi i slično).

 

Zvanično, nezvanično, oficijalno, neoficijalno, NĐ je stigao do brojki gde nema više nikog ispred.

 

Još jedino taj rejs da bude prvi i toliko, ja apsolutno ništa ne očekujem od završnog turnira (u smislu da ga osvoji).

 

 

 

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Oficijelna ATP lista uopste nije pouzdana, nasla sam im (sasvim slucajno) gresku: Nakashimi su dali za Sinsinati 10 bodova iako je on dobio WC i izgubio odmah 1. mec, a po pravilima u tom slucaju bi trebalo da dobije 0 bodova (tako im stoji kad se na stranici Nakashime klikne na aktivnosti igraca u 2021, ali u konacnom zbiru mu tu racunaju 10 bodova).

:classic_rolleyes:

Da ne pricam sto Novaku i dalje racunaju titulu na AO od 2020 umesto iz 2021 (i naravno da se datumi skidanja bodova razlikuju :classic_dry: - Novaku stoji da mu se 2000 bodova s AO skida 31.1., a Medvedevu 1200 bodova  21.2.)

 

Ko zna kakve jos gluposti su napravili.

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