[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[Klotzen]

Mislim da će verovatno biti o Hong Kongu jer je juče usvojen taj sporni zakon o bezbednosti. Nije mu više u interesu da priča o koroni jer je cifra prešla 100k za koju je on tvrdio da je granica koja određuje uspešnost u borbi. Što pre skrene temu sa korone to bolje za njega na izborima.

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puna podrska crnoj braci protiv policijske gamadi u usa.

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57 minutes ago, Klotzen said:

Mislim da će verovatno biti o Hong Kongu jer je juče usvojen taj sporni zakon o bezbednosti. Nije mu više u interesu da priča o koroni jer je cifra prešla 100k za koju je on tvrdio da je granica koja određuje uspešnost u borbi. Što pre skrene temu sa korone to bolje za njega na izborima.

 

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Stephen Bannon, Donald Trump’s erstwhile chief strategist, is reportedly returning to rescue the American president from defeat in the November 2020 elections, due largely to mishandling the COVID-19 pandemic and an economy that’s heading towards the deepest depression since the 1930s. In early March, Bannon declared the global pandemic Trump’s ‘Churchill and FDR moment‘. Instead, it has turned into a political and economic disaster of historic proportions as tens of thousands of Americans have lost their lives to the coronavirus. President Trump’s tardiness, incompetence, political divisiveness, and rejection of scientific and expert advice are widely seen as exacerbating the crisis.

Bannon, CEO of Trump’s 2016 shock election victory, is reportedly close to several senior White House staffers – especially Stephen Miller – and may be recalled to have assisted Trump in digging himself out of a hole largely of his own making. President Trump, contrary to Bannon’s prediction, appears to be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Nevertheless, Bannon’s obsession with China’s growing stature and his support for alt-right (i.e., fascistic) positions on non-white immigration suggests he is tailor-made for the final months of Trump’s 2020 effort to remain in the White House.

 

https://thewire.in/world/donald-trump-steve-bannon-return

 

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Trump’s Attack On China Could Ruin His Re-Election Bid

https://www.forbes.com/sites/yuwahedrickwong/2020/05/16/trumps-attack-on-china-could-ruin-his-re-election-bid/#215f8969323c

 

Da, da, krece drvlje i kamenje na Kinu da se sakrije neuspeh i nekompetencija. U sustini nije ni bitno sta prica, njegova baza glasaca ce svakako glasati pa makar samo prdeo u mirkofon... 

[Skyglider]

 

Nerealno, uhapsili celu ekipu CNN koja izveštavala sa lica mesta, jer su im navodno rekli da se pomere, a oni nisu. 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Skyglider

[ras kass]

Pustili su CNN ekipu.

 

Citam da je policajac ubica uhapsen.

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4 minutes ago, ras kass said:

Pustili su CNN ekipu.

 

Citam da je policajac ubica uhapsen.

 

 

Mogli su ceo ovaj cirus izbeci i unistavanje celog jednog grada da su to uradili odmah. To je bio zahtev demonstranata koji su poceli mirno da demonstriraju, pa policija pocela da ih zasipa suzavcima i onda se otelo kontroli. 

 

[Anunnaki]

1 minute ago, Baby said:

 

 

Mogli su ceo ovaj cirus izbeci i unistavanje celog jednog grada da su to uradili odmah. To je bio zahtev demonstranata koji su poceli mirno da demonstriraju, pa policija pocela da ih zasipa suzavcima i onda se otelo kontroli. 

 

...i poceli da razbijaju izloge prodavnica patika...c,c,c.

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Just now, ibiza1 said:

...i poceli da razbijaju izloge prodavnica patika...c,c,c.

 

Pa debili. Ali po snimku je pandur trebao biti uhapsen, a oni ga pustili i jos rekli da nece biti procesuiran. 

 

Da se ja pitam svi bi lepo odgovarali, i panduri koji su uradili to sto su uradili a i ovi sto zapalise grad. Protegla se histerija do Kalifornije, moraju naci nacina da zaustave ova sranja koje panduri prave. 

 

 

 

[Anunnaki]

mozda i ima po neki debil ali je to ustvari partijska vojska (partizani) dems-a. Prljave predizborne igre demokrata.

Edited May 29, 2020 by ibiza1

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7 minutes ago, ibiza1 said:

mozda i ima po neki debil ali je to ustvari partijska vojska (partizani) dems-a. Prljave predizborne igre demokrata.

 

I ti preterujes. To je visedecenijski odnos policije prema AA, ali ne samo njima. 

 

Ceo svet rusi Trampa, svi su protiv. Svi njemu rade o glavi i niko drugi nema nikakvu vise brigu nego svrgnuti Trampa... jbt polideli ste.

 

Da on podgreva i ovako neresena pitanja, da, podgreva, i produbljuje. Da li se desava samo sada od kada je Tramp predsenik, ne, desavalo se i pre. 

 

 

Da li treba da resi gengove i bande, da. Problem je kada oni koji to nisu izgube zivote zbog neosnovane brutalnosti.

 

Policija nije tu da sudi, nego da vodi racuna o redu, miru i gradjanima, a oni ne bas retko presudjuju na licu mesta. 

 

 

[Angelia]

1 hour ago, ibiza1 said:

mozda i ima po neki debil ali je to ustvari partijska vojska (partizani) dems-a. Prljave predizborne igre demokrata.

Jedna bivsa vlasnica kluba tvrdi da su policajac i zrtva radili obojica u njenom klubu kao obezbedjenje godinama.

U svakom slucaju protesti jedino mogu da budu mirni, paljenje, nasilje, i kradja, ne smeju biti opravdani.

[Anunnaki]

1 hour ago, Baby said:

 

I ti preterujes. To je visedecenijski odnos policije prema AA, ali ne samo njima. 

 

Ceo svet rusi Trampa, svi su protiv. Svi njemu rade o glavi i niko drugi nema nikakvu vise brigu nego svrgnuti Trampa... jbt polideli ste.

 

Da on podgreva i ovako neresena pitanja, da, podgreva, i produbljuje. Da li se desava samo sada od kada je Tramp predsenik, ne, desavalo se i pre. 

 

 

Da li treba da resi gengove i bande, da. Problem je kada oni koji to nisu izgube zivote zbog neosnovane brutalnosti.

 

Policija nije tu da sudi, nego da vodi racuna o redu, miru i gradjanima, a oni ne bas retko presudjuju na licu mesta. 

 

 

moderacijo, jel vi banujete samo kad vas vredjaju??

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46 minutes ago, ibiza1 said:

moderacijo, jel vi banujete samo kad vas vredjaju??

 

Sta ne valja?

 

Mene vise cudi da ti nisi zapatio ban jer samo dobacujes, ni jedno razmisljanje nisi napisao. Odgovorila sam ti na temu, ako si se nasao uvredjen zao mi je, uopste me ne interesujes ni u jednoj prici. 

 

Btw mogao bi da objasnis kako demokratama ide u prilog da ruse demokratski grad i proglasavaju pandura nevinim bez sudjenja na ocigled miliona ljudi koji su videli sta se desilo?

Ali je bitno da su demokrate organizovale razaranje...

Edited May 29, 2020 by Baby

[Eddard]

56 minutes ago, ibiza1 said:

moderacijo, jel vi banujete samo kad vas vredjaju??

Ajd sad, nismo valjda toliko osetljivi. Nevertheless, suzdržite se od ovakvih kvalifikacija. Warn izdat.

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"demokratski partizanski vojnici" su prosili demonstracije na Hjuston i Atlantu, za sada mirno. 

 

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Hundreds of protesters are gathered in downtown Houston to protest the death of George Floyd.

The protest was organized by Houston's Black Lives Matter group and images from CNN affiliate KTRK show hundreds of Houstonians marching from Discovery Green to City Hall to protest police brutality and justice for Floyd.

Many people were seen carrying signs that said "End police brutality" and "Black lives matter."

KTRK reported that a woman was detained after pulling out a rifle at the protest, according to Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo who said she would be arrested for trying to start a riot during a peaceful protest. The report did not indicate that the firearm went off. 

 

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Tensions mount as thousands of people gather in Atlanta to protest the death of George Floyd. 

Protesters can be heard chanting and seen facing a line of police near the CNN building.

Armored vehicles can be seen at the CNN center, and protesters could be seen running in fear of possible tear gas. 

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said in a tweet today she encouraged residents to peacefully protest.

"When lives and the conscience of this nation are at peril, we as people are expected to exercise our constitutional rights to peacefully assemble and have our voices heard. Atlanta embodies these values, and I encourage all who exercise these rights to remember Atlanta's legacy of peaceful protest leading to progress," she said.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp shared Lance Bottoms tweet on his official Twitter account. 

 

 

edit: DC protestantima se ne dopada reakcija policije 

 

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Disturbance breaks out during protest in DC

A disturbance broke out in a crowd of hundreds of people protesting in Washington, D.C.

According to CNN's Brian Todd who's at the scene, the disturbance started when the police tried to escort a man from the protest. 

The crowd is visibly riled, chanting "no justice no peace" and "black lives matter."

"We don't know exactly what set off the crowd," Todd said. "The crowd is very intense.

 

 

San Jose divljaju

 

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Protesters appeared to be walking off the 101 freeway in San Jose, California, affiliate aerials show.

A large group of protesters were seen blocking the roads and smashing windows of cars on the freeway earlier today.

CNN is awaiting details from the California Highway Patrol.

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Baby

[Angelia]

35 minutes ago, Baby said:

"demokratski partizanski vojnici" su prosili demonstracije na Hjuston i Atlantu, za sada mirno. 

 

 

 

Organizatori svuda BLM, organizacija koju je FBI smatrao za pretnju nasiljem jos od 2014, i koja generalno ima istorijat nasilja. Pozicionirana kao extremno leva. 

Naravno da su "demokratski vojnici". Paljenje i pljackanje nije odgovor.

 

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. 

 

Ne znam kako postizu cilj sa toliko povredjenih, paljevinom i kradjom

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1 hour ago, Angelia said:

Organizatori svuda BLM, organizacija koju je FBI smatrao za pretnju nasiljem jos od 2014, i koja generalno ima istorijat nasilja. Pozicionirana kao extremno leva. 

Naravno da su "demokratski vojnici". Paljenje i pljackanje nije odgovor.

 

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. 

 

Ne znam kako postizu cilj sa toliko povredjenih, paljevinom i kradjom

 

Sistematsko dehumanizovanje jednog dela drustva ne dovodi do harmonije. 

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Evo cime se predsednik bavi dok kuca gori:

 

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President Trump moved to protect regulations issued by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos that restrict federal student loan forgiveness in a veto issued Friday night.

The big picture: Several veterans' groups have argued that the rules, which make it more difficult for student borrowers to prove that a college defrauded them, will harm former service members cheated by for-profit colleges, the New York Times reports.

What they're saying: Trump said the vetoed legislation "sought to reimpose an Obama-era regulation that defined educational fraud so broadly that it threatened to paralyze the Nation’s system of higher education."

"@realDonaldTrump's decision today to veto the #bipartisan resolution, against the request of 3 dozen veterans organizations, is a blow to #veterans, #servicemembers & their families," the advocacy organization Veterans Education Success tweeted Friday.

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The veto arrives two months after Congress agreed to scrap DeVos’s overhaul of a 1995 law known as “borrower defense to repayment.” The law provides federal loan forgiveness to students whose colleges lied to get them to enroll.
An Obama-era update of the statute lowered hurdles for students and shifted more of the cost onto schools, but DeVos tried to scuttle the update and then rewrite the rule. The Trump administration in September finalized its rewrite, which limits the time borrowers have to apply for relief and requires them to prove they were harmed financially by the deception. The rule is scheduled to take effect July 1.

 

Inace demonstracije u DC i jos nekim gradovima jos uvek traju (prosla ponoc). Izmedju ostalog traze da Tramp promene retoriku. 

 

 

Meanwhile, trouble in paradise:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Plavi Golub]

24 minutes ago, Baby said:

Evo cime se predsednik bavi dok kuca gori:

 

 

Inace demonstracije u DC i jos nekim gradovima jos uvek traju (prosla ponoc). Izmedju ostalog traze da Tramp promene retoriku. 

 

 

Meanwhile, trouble in paradise:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Imajuci iskustvo, on ce samo da pojaca retoriku jer njemu reizbor sada u dobrom delu zavisi da isprovocira jos vise ovakvih stvari i ide na konfrontaciju do kraja da bi na kraju bili svi isti. Nebitno je cime se on sada bavi. Kad bi mu ukinuli twitter sto se naravno nece desiti to bi pomoglo. Mada ja odavno sumnjam da nije on taj koji tvituje ili bar smislja sadrzaj.

 

2) Ocigledno mnogo skripi u regrutaciji u policiju tamo. Ovaj lik je bio rezerva u VP i ima 16, a mozda i vise prijava u dosijeu koje se ne obelodanjuju sto ce reci da bas nisu naivne. Kad se ovakvi zalome i traju uprkos primedbama to je precutna saglasnost za ono sto rade. Ono sto je dosada objavljeno je ono sto je od tih incidenata dospelo do medija ranijih godina.

 

3) Gotovo podjednako su mi problematicni oni policajci sto su stajali i blejali pored. Sto ce reci da je mogao da bude bilo ko od njih. Ocigleno im je ovo ponasanje "normalno". Vrlo me zanima hoce li i njih kazniti?

 

4) Koliko citam u WaPO to je zeni drugi brak u kome nemaju zajednicke dece, ali ima svoju decu iz prvog braka i deluje prestravljeno za njihovu bezbednost, roditelja i ostatka porodice. Gledajuci sve ovo ima smisla.

 

5) sta je tacno ubistvo treceg stepena po americkom krivicnom zakonu? Ili zakonu Minesote, ako se razlikuje od drzave do drzave?

[Plavi Golub]

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11:07 p.m.

Former owner of nightclub where Floyd and Chauvin worked recalls ‘tension’ with police over black community events

 

A friend of Derek Chauvin, the police officer charged in George Floyd’s death, remembered tension with police at the nightclub she used to own, saying that evenings catering to the black community in particular “were not their favorite.”

Maya Santamaria owned El Nuevo Rodeo, which was destroyed in this week’s chaos in Minneapolis, until January. Both Chauvin and Floyd provided security at the club.

“I’m extremely disappointed that a good friend of mine would be the culprit of this horrible crime,” she said of Chauvin.

She also knew Floyd, but not as well, though many on her staff knew him well from his work at Conga Latin Bistro in northeast Minneapolis.

“It’s not that big of a town, so we all know each other,” Santamaria said. “He would give me a big smile when he would see me,” she said of Floyd.

As for Chauvin, Santamaria described him as “a tightly wound guy.”

“He was a nice guy,” she added. “He was always mellow around me.”

Still, she said there was tension from the 3rd Precinct, especially when the club started to have “Urban” nights, catering to the African American community.

“They didn’t like having to deal with having a nightclub in the neighborhood,” she said, “especially our black nights were not their favorite.”

“I could feel the racial tension,” Santamaria said about the backlash from the 3rd Precinct when she started to bring in black music promoters.

“I could feel the racism,” she said. “The cops, the 3rd Precinct, even the Minneapolis licensing inspectors — they were hating on me for bringing that element into the neighborhood.”

Now, she said, she’s relieved, like many in the community, that Chauvin is in custody.

By Sheila Regan

 

Izvor: The Washington Post

 

 

Bogami ima ovde i licnog, oho ho.

Nocni klub u kraju => nevolja na vidiku

Rasizam

Edited May 30, 2020 by Plavi Golub

[Klotzen]

Protesti se šire po celim SAD. Gledam proteste u Atlanti i LA vidim da se spominje i NY u vestima. Biće ovo novi potres za SAD ali mislim da Trampu ovo odgovara jer se sada niko neće baviti koronom, bar nedelju ili dve.

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5 minutes ago, Plavi Golub said:

 

 

1) Imajuci iskustvo, on ce samo da pojaca retoriku jer njemu reizbor sada u dobrom delu zavisi da isprovocira jos vise ovakvih stvari i ide na konfrontaciju do kraja da bi na kraju bili svi isti. Nebitno je cime se on sada bavi. Kad bi mu ukinuli twitter sto se naravno nece desiti to bi pomoglo. Mada ja odavno sumnjam da nije on taj koji tvituje ili bar smislja sadrzaj.

 

2) Ocigledno mnogo skripi u regrutaciji u policiju tamo. Ovaj lik je bio rezerva u VP i ima 16, a mozda i vise prijava u dosijeu koje se ne obelodanjuju sto ce reci da bas nisu naivne. Kad se ovakvi zalome i traju uprkos primedbama to je precutna saglasnost za ono sto rade. Ono sto je dosada objavljeno je ono sto je od tih incidenata dospelo do medija ranijih godina.

 

3) Gotovo podjednako su mi problematicni oni policajci sto su stajali i blejali pored. Sto ce reci da je mogao da bude bilo ko od njih. Ocigleno im je ovo ponasanje "normalno". Vrlo me zanima hoce li i njih kazniti?

 

4) Koliko citam u WaPO to je zeni drugi brak u kome nemaju zajednicke dece, ali ima svoju decu iz prvog braka i deluje prestravljeno za njihovu bezbednost, roditelja i ostatka porodice. Gledajuci sve ovo ima smisla.

 

5) sta je tacno ubistvo treceg stepena po americkom krivicnom zakonu? Ili zakonu Minesote, ako se razlikuje od drzave do drzave?

 

1. Apsolutno delim misljenje da ce ako ne pojacati svoju retoriku, ostati na istom. Da li ce napraviti da su svi isti ili ne, mislim da ne igra nikakvu ulogu na izborima, jer samo ce jos vise da napali ljude da izadju na glasanja, sto nije dobro za njega. Sto se tice twitova, gotovo sve pise on, sto se vidi u nekoherentnosti misli, gramatickim zavrzlamama i odabiru reci. 

 

2. Da, sigurno da skripi. Evo statistika porasta broja policije (verovatno smanjenje normi koje treba da zadovolje) po godinama https://www.nr.edu/adj/pdf/nsleed.pdf

Od Regana na ovamo su zatvorske kazne porasle za nekih 6-7 puta. Ovde je zatvor odlican biznis. 

 

3. Ako se civili terete kao saucesnici, zakon bi trebao da je isti za sve, pa da se i policija koja je ucestvovala u ovom terete kao saucesnici, sto i jesu. Da li ce, videcemo. Neke 2014 godine se desio isti slucaj, gde su udavili jednog AA iz nicega. Niti se opirao, samo je govorio, jos je imao neku bolest (asma ili tako nesto) i umro je dok su sedeli na njemu. Optuzeni su. 2019 su proglaseni nevinima. 

Nesto slicno se izgleda priprema i ovde ali nesto sumnjam da ce ovaj put da prodje:

 

Korupcija je uzela maha. 

 

4. Podrzavam je. 

 

5. Trecestepeno ubistvo je kada se u toku nekog ne naslinog krivicnog dela desi ubistvo i nije bitno da li je bila namera. U tom slucaju se za ubistvo mogu teretiti i saucesnici. U Minesoti je kazna za to 25 godina zatvora. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Klotzen said:

Protesti se šire po celim SAD. Gledam proteste u Atlanti i LA vidim da se spominje i NY u vestima. Biće ovo novi potres za SAD ali mislim da Trampu ovo odgovara jer se sada niko neće baviti koronom, bar nedelju ili dve.

 

Da u Bruklinu su protesti. Sve je to kratkog daha jer ce drugi talas virusa naici brze i jace nego sto se nadaju, sa sve ovim sto se desava. Prem da moram priznati ovi demonstranti su me iznenadili jer gotovo svi imaju maske, ako nista vise. 

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Evo sada su rekli ako osude policajca dobice 12 godina zatvora.