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25 minutes ago, Dzistrou said:
Ovo nije argument. Dobro je poznat položaj Palestinaca u arapskom spektru.
iju! ta nije valjda! a kakav je to polozaj Palestinaca u arapskom svetu?
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22 minutes ago, Kronostime said:
Niko ne spori pravo Izraelu da postoji danas - u skladu sa dovorom iz Osla koji su postigli Jicak Rabin i Jaser Arafat jos 1993. godine da bi se prekinula vecita spirala nasilja na tom prostoru.
Zbog tog dogovora Izraelci ubise Jicaka Rabina, zar ne?
Dve nezavisne drzave, medjunarodno priznate i u tim tada dogovorenim granicama su jedini nacin da se kakav-takav mir ostvari.
mir se nece stvoriti dok Palestinci i njihova militantna krila ne prestanu da negiraju pravo Izraela na postojanje i zahevaju slobonu Palestinu od reke Jordan do Sredozemnog mora.
Imali su od 2005 teritoriju Gaze da rade sta hoce, nigde Izraelaca na vidiku da ih ometa. I sta su uradili? Bili izbori 2006 bese, izabrali Hamas i od tad nema vise izbora! Bas silna demokratija! I za to im kriv Izrael?
Dobijali su silne pare s raznoraznih strana da im pomogne da se organizuju i stvore neko normalno drustvo, vec kako im odgovara. I sta su uradili? Glavesine strpale dosta para u svoj dzep (sto ovo zvuci poznato), i iz luksuza Katara govore idiotima da "izdrze", "sve ce to Bog, pardon Alah pozlatiti" kad se kao mucenici zrtvuju i dodju u raj (bese dzenet u islamu - mrzi me da trazim) pa im Alah da koliko bese devica na poklon. Ostatak investirali u kopanje sistema tunela ispod civilnih oblasti, dakle beton sve s armaturom su koristili da grade tunele za teroristicku organizaciju umesto da zidaju skole, bolnice, firme koje ce nesto svrsishodno proizvoditi, postrojenja za vodu da ne zavise od tako zlog Izraela, farme za poljoprivredne proizvode (ima tu nekih praznih prostora) - za divno cudo ti zli Izraelci uspevaju da nekako naprave te neke poljoprivredne ili kakve zajednice u istim prirodnim uslovima i da one tu uspesno posluju. Elem, sta su uspeli da urade s parama? Da naprave teroristicku organizaciju, obrazuju mlade narastaje da od 4-5 godina mrzi Jevreja i hoce da ga ubije, a ovi koji dobiju dozvolu da udju u Izrael da rade su koristili tu priliku da sakupe informacije za ovaj monstruozni napad. Ujedaju ruku koja ih hrani, pa posle kukaju kad im Izraelci nece da daju hranu, vodu i struju. Sta ste ocekivali, braco Palestinci?
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Evo kako Palestince iz Gaze Egipatski predsednik manje-vise naziva teroristima (te ih stoga nece kod sebe na teritoriji, nije blesav), vec predlaze da ih Izrael posalje u neku pustinju (procitah da su tamo uslovi za zivot uzasni. mislim, naravno, to je pustinja)
Egypt's Sisi rejects Gaza refugee influx, blames Israel for aid block
"The displacement of Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt means the same displacement will take place for Palestinians from the West Bank into Jordan," Sisi warned.
"Subsequently, the Palestinian state that we are talking about and that the world is talking about will become impossible to implement -- because the land is there, but the people are not. Therefore, I warn of the danger of this matter."
Sisi said Egypt "did not close" the crossing, but that "developments on the ground and the repeated bombings by Israel of the Palestinian side of the crossing have prevented its operation".
In 1979, Egypt became the first Arab state to make peace with Israel following the Camp David accords of the previous year.
That peace is at risk of disintegrating, Sisi said, if there is a mass exodus of Gazans to Egypt's neighbouring Sinai Peninsula that would risk turning it into "a new base for terrorist operations against Israel".
"Israel would have the right to defend itself and its national security, and therefore direct strikes on Egyptian lands," he said.
Dismissing comments by pundits about Sinai being a sparsely populated desert area, Sisi suggested Israel's Negev Desert as an alternative refuge for Gazans.
"Palestinians could be moved there until Israel is finished with what it has declared is an operation to eliminate armed groups" from Gaza, the president said.
"And then it could return them if it wished," he added.
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1 minute ago, Kronostime said:
Niko ne spori postojanje Jevreja kroz istoriju. Problem je sto se istorija tumaci i falsifikuje onako kako se kome prohte a ne kako je bilo.
Sto se tice spomenika - imas u Rimu trijumfalnu kapiju Tita Flavija Vespazijana nakon ugusenja bune u Judeji 62-70 g.n.e (Prvi rimsko-jevrejski rat) na kojoj je ovekoveceno gusenje te bune. Tom prilikom je zauzeta Masada koja je smatrana neosvojivom ali je ipak osvojise.
Stoji na Forumu i danas.
i kako je to sad relevantno za pitanje prava Izraela kao drzave da postoji danas?
Nek se istoricari svadjaju na kongresima u salama koliko hoce da li je bas tog i tog dana, taj i taj naredio to i to, ili se to desilo 7 dana kasnije. Bas me zabole! To je njihov posao. Ovo mlacenje prazne slame oko toga da li to kao ima nekakvih dokaza da su na toj teritoriji ikada ziveli neki Jevreji te da imaju pravo i da pomisle da sad oni tu "otmu" sirotim Palestincima zemlju je stvarno 🤮
A ovakvu moju reakciju dobijas upravo ti (bese pravnik?) jer sam, malo je reci, razocarana tobom.
Spoilermislim, sad cemo da se upustamo u raspravu da li je bezgresno zacece pre 2000+ godina bilo moguce, pa da li je bas Isus bio bozji sin, da li je uskrsnuo... mislim... Cinjenica je da je neko nekada napisao neku "SF" knjigu s junacima koji se nazivaju Jevreji, izmedju ostalog, i o tamo nekoj zemlji Judeji, na koju su se tolike milijarde ljudi primile i tretirale je ne kao SF stivo Star Trek tipa vec kao istorijski roman zasnovan na nekim stvarnim dogadjajima (da li je skakavce poslao Bog ili je doslo do njihovog prevelikog razmnozavanja usleg raznoraznih bioloskih uslova - potpuno je nebitna prica u ovom kontekstu).
I ne samo da je jedna "sveta knjiga" /SF knjiga napisana s pominjanjem dotichih junaka, vec ih ima jos poneka, ukupno koliko milijardi ljudi smata da je to stivo nastlo na osnovu nekih stvarnih dogadjaja?
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22 minutes ago, Dzistrou said:
Prebacivanje fokusa sa humanitarne katastrofe koju režiraju Bibi i ekipa na brzopleto objavljenu (i još brže povučenu) vest iz tendencioznog palestinskog izvora. Vrlo dobar četiri minus za spinovanje, može to još bolje.
evo ga, jos jedan borac za ljudska prava.
za sve je kriv "Bibi i ekipa". Hajde mi da se lepo skoncentrisemo na prva Hamasa da iz naseljenih podrucja onako slobodarski, iz frustracije zbog 75 godisnjeg aparhejda, gadja tamo neku ekipu oko Bibija, a sve krijuci se iza 200 kidnapovanih talaca (dece, zena, staraca i mozda jos po nekog zivog uskarca, ako je koji ostao posle odsecanja galva na ulicama Gaze). To sto se sad malo Hamas i njihova PR masina zaigrao i jedna od njihovih lazi je vrlo brzo razotkrivena - 'ajde to da gurnemo pod tepih. I da i u buduce verujemo sta god nam Ministarstvo za Istinu Hamasa saopsti o zbivanjima tamo. 500, 700, 800 (ko da vise) mrtvih na onom parkingu i bar jos toliko povredjenih? Nema problema! Sve se to moze lepo upakovati i prezentovati za konzumaciju tv auditorijumu sirom sveta koji onako udobno sedi u fotelji, gricka kokice i navija da Hamas razvali "Bibija i ekipu".
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59 minutes ago, Kronostime said:
Istorija nije samo ono sto pise u tzv. svetim spisima - ima nesto i u spomenicima i dokumentima po muzejima i cime se bave istoricari i arheolozi.
evo, vidimo sad kako se u Tunisu staraju da se spomenici koji dokazuju postojanje Jevreja na toj teritoriji, onako sistematski unistavaju i spaljuju. I onda: puj pike ne vazi! Nije tu nikada bilo nikakvih Jevreja! Ko im je kriv kad nisu sacuvali te neke stvari uklesane u kamen!
Mislim, cela ova prica ovde na forumu oko dokazivanja prava Jevreja da imaju drzavu Izrael je... nemam reci!
Mislim, 'ocete neki dokument? Eno vam onaj koji su Britanci ostavili posle zavrsetka okupacije Bliskog Istoka! No to sad za legaliste takodje nije dovoljno, sad trebaju neke mape i knjige iz prethodnih 100 godina! Uvek nesto.
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44 minutes ago, shonke said:
Na stranu priča o sadašnjem ratu, uz rizik da me se smatra drvenim advokatom, moram reci da se slažem sa @Kronostime oko iznošenja dokaza o postojanju mr. Isusa od Nazareta. Slažem u smislu sumnje. Ne bih da rasprava preraste u pravo Jevreja na državu nego samo oko pitanja da li je Isus zaista istorijski lik. Mislim, nije ni za ovu temu.
Dokazi (zapisi o njemu) nisu baš 100% a nije i da ih nema iz perioda blisko njegovoj smrti.
50/50.
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poenta nije bila da se konkretno govori o postojanju konkretne osobe po kojoj je "napisana" Biblija i ostale knjige vezano za dve religije. Poenta je da sve tri religije, kakve god da fiktivne dogadjaje i likove kao pojedince pominju, uvek pominju postojanje Jevreja u toj oblasti. Nisu pominjali Kriptonce, niti one s planete Vulkan sve s Spokom, niti Vukije niti ostale likove iz SF.
I sad mi tu treba da dokazujemo nesto da li ima nekakvih istorijskih razloga da se eto bas tu napravi drzava za Jevreje. Pa nisu ih posadili u sred Amazonije ili na Papua Novu Gvineju!
Na stranu to sto su mnoge od raznoraznih drzava na severu Afrike i Bliskom Istoku nastale tek raspadom kolonijalnog sistema. Pre toga nije bilo u kontinuitetu takvih drzava. Ali sad se samo Izraelu spocitava pravo na postojanje. Arapima nije dovoljan onoliko prostor od Atlantika do Indijskog Okeana da nadju neko parce zemlje da zive, vec im je zapelo da i bas ovaj poslednji komad bude njihov! A gde onda, gospodo, da Jevreji naprave svoju drzavu, koja ce se postarati da im se ne desi jos jedan holokaust? Ima neko neki predlog? Ili da ih iselimo na Mars? No onda bi se sigurno nasao neko ko bi i to osporavao, jer... siroti Marsijanci...
56 minutes ago, Kronostime said:Egipcani imaju prilicno dokumentovanu istoriju sukoba sa Hetitima i Asircima, trgovina sa Fenicanima je opste poznata i istorijski dokumentovana, u Avganistan se islo po lapis lazuli, a u Jemen po tamjan. Kako svima promace da zabeleze mocno Judejsko kraljevstvo?
Do postavljanja Antipatera od strane Cezara za namesnika Judeje i njegovog sina Heroda Velikog, koji je izgradio i prosirio dotadasnji Hram i osnovao Cezareju na obali Mediterana, nemas nekih pomena o Judeji sem biblijskih zapisa.
Do isterivanja Jevreja iz Judeje je doslo nakon neuspelog ustanka Simona bar Kohbe 135 g.n.e koju su Rimljani brutalno ugusili i tada je unisten Hram u Jerusalimu.
Istorija nije samo ono sto pise u tzv. svetim spisima - ima nesto i u spomenicima i dokumentima po muzejima i cime se bave istoricari i arheolozi.
ma, jok, brate, nije tu nikada bilo Jevreja, kao ni u ostatku sveta. To se samo svima oduvek prividjalo. Oni su dosli na svemirskom brodu iz sazvezdja Andromeda i mi sad tu ostro treba da se suprotstavimo kolonijalizaciji vanzemaljaca na planetu Zemlju.
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9 minutes ago, FrediB said:
Rotšilda, Rokfelera, Kisindžera, Goldman Saksa, tzv. protokole sionskih mudraca (falsifikat KGB... ovaj Ohrane)....
a zamisli, jos se i odvratni Montipajtonovci pridruzili zaveri, pa u laganoj varijati (da se narod ne doseti i da prevare Kronosa, poznatog saljivdziju, dok ispija kaficu
) snimali tako neke filmice, komedijice u kojima takodje pominju (na sebi svojstven nacin) tako neke toponimcice i likove...
naravno, to nije nikakav dokaz o postojanju Jevreja "od davnina", to mora biti uklesano u nekoj steni tamo oko Jerusalima (ili makar na nekoj mapi), ali je dokaz o tome kolko je duboka ta zavera Cionista.
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Just now, Kronostime said:
Kako drugacije komentarisati istorijsko argumentovanje mitovima?
Stari Egipcani zapisase i imena sefova smene na piramidama ali Mojsija ne zapisase nigde a odgajen na faraonovom dvoru?
Ostao bi uklesan makar na nekoj steli, ploci, obelisku...
ma, jok bre, to se zli Izraelci, Zionisti, Mosad (i Soros, da ne zaboravimo njega kao standardnu mirodjiju svim teorijama zavere) tu negde 1940tih vratili 2000 godina kroz vreme, pa falsifikovali 3 najvece svetske religije i ubacili tako neke delove i likove koji su Jevreji, neke oblasti koje se tako zovu Judeje itd., a sve da bi mogli da tvrde kako su eto na tim prostorima ziveli Jevreji, te im treba dati drzavu.
No, Kronosu treba neki dokaz uklesan u kamenu da je tu negde bilo nekih Jevreja. Necete vi prevariti cika Kronosa! Ne, ne!
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1 hour ago, Kronostime said:
Postoji li, sem Biblije, neki verodostojniji dokaz postojanja?
Egipcani, Rimljani, Persijci... niko od naroda ciji istorijski zapisi i danas postoje ih nigde ne spominju.
nisi mogao da smislis neki pametniji komentar?
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jos jedna novina od ove godine: dobijaju se bonus pare za one koji su najbolje prosli na 500 turnirima
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Students of New York University ripping down posters with the information about, and pictures of, the Israeli children kidnapped by Hamas
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evo je i treca kongresmenka americka (ona koja nije rec htela da prozbori u osudi masakra od 7.10. kad ju je reporterka jurila hodnikom i pokusavala da uzme izjavu, a ona kao mula cuti, sagnute glave i zuri da se dokopa lifta da ide u svoju kancelariju valjda, a ispred koje joj je pored USA zastave i palestinska - ima neki strucnjak za USA pravo i te zastave, je li to dozvoljeno da americki kongresmeni/ke ispred svojih kancelariija imaju neku drugu zastavu osim americke? )
kojoj drzavi je ova lojalna?
da vidimo hoce li se protiv ovih podnositi krivicna prijava kao protiv Trampovaca.
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8 minutes ago, erwin said:
hvala bogu te vise u Tunisu nema ni jednog Jevreja inace bi ih zive zapalili u sinagogi, u najboljoj tradiciji od 7.10.
zanima me komentar Osorio i drugarice joj iz parlamenta Ilhan ili kako se bese zove, na ovo:
kojoj strani li su sada lojalne?
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1 hour ago, erwin said:
Pre 100 godina Jevreja je na prostoru tadašnje Palestine (Izrael+Zapadna obala+Pojas Gaze) bilo oko 10%.
Danas kontrolišu 90% te teritorije s tendencijom rasta.
ima negde neki podatak koliko je na prostorima danasnje EU bilo Palestinaca, Sirijskih Arapa, Jordanskih Arapa, Persijaca itd. pre 100 godina, a koliko ih ima sada? Koliki procenat teritorije su onda kontrolisali, a koliki sada?
mozda @sreta-steta ima neke mape i istorijske cinjenice, bas bi me nesto zanimalo. posto pricamo o istorijskom pravu i tapiji na zemlju, kolonizatorima i sreci lokalnog stanovnistva sto ih upoznaje...
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59 minutes ago, erwin said:
Pre 100 godina Jevreja je na prostoru tadašnje Palestine (Izrael+Zapadna obala+Pojas Gaze) bilo oko 10%.
Danas kontrolišu 90% te teritorije s tendencijom rasta.
da vidimo mi i malo siru sliku:
QuoteEgyptian Jews constitute both one of the oldest and one of the youngest Jewish communities in the world. The historic core of the Jewish community in Egypt mainly consisted of Egyptian Arabic speaking Rabbanites and Karaites. Though Egypt had its own community of Egyptian Jews, after the Jewish expulsion from Spain more Sephardi and Karaite Jews began to migrate to Egypt, and then their numbers increased significantly with the growth of trading prospects after the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869. As a result, Jews from many territories of the Ottoman Empire as well as Italy and Greece started to settle in the main cities of Egypt, where they thrived. The Ashkenazi community, mainly confined to Cairo's Darb al-Barabira quarter, began to arrive in the aftermath of the waves of pogroms that hit Europe in the latter part of the 19th century.
QuoteIn the 1950s, Egypt began to expel its Jewish population (estimated at between 75,000 and 80,000 in 1948), also sequestering Jewish-owned property at this time.
As of 2016, the president of Cairo's Jewish community said that there were 6 Jews in Cairo, all women over age 65, and 12 Jews in Alexandria. As of 2019, there were 5 in Cairo. As of 2022 the total number of known Egyptian Jews permanently residing in Egypt is 3.
QuoteSyrian Jews are Jews who lived in the region of the modern state of Syria, and their descendants born outside Syria. Syrian Jews derive their origin from two groups: from the Jews who inhabited the region of today's Syria from ancient times (known as Musta'arabi Jews, and sometimes classified as Mizrahi Jews, a generic term for the Jews with an extended history in Western Asia or North Africa); and from the Sephardi Jews (referring to Jews with an extended history in the Iberian Peninsula, i.e. Spain and Portugal) who fled to Syria after the Alhambra Decree forced the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492.
There were large communities in Aleppo ("Halabi Jews", Aleppo is Halab in Arabic) and Damascus ("Shami Jews") for centuries, and a smaller community in Qamishli on the Turkish border near Nusaybin. In the first half of the 20th century a large percentage of Syrian Jews immigrated to the U.S., Latin America and Israel. Most of the remaining Jews left in the 28 years following 1973, due in part to the efforts of Judy Feld Carr, who claims to have helped some 3,228 Jews emigrate; emigration was officially allowed in 1992. The largest number of Jews of Syrian descent live in Israel. Outside Israel, the largest Syrian Jewish community is in Brooklyn, New York and is estimated at 75,000 strong. There are smaller communities elsewhere in the United States and in Latin America.
QuoteIn 2011, there had been about 250 Jews still living within Syria, mostly in Damascus.[5][6] As of December 2014, fewer than 50 Jews remained in the area due to increasing violence and war.[7] In October 2015, with the threat of ISIS nearby, nearly all of the remaining Jews in Aleppo were rescued in a covert operation and moved to Ashkelon, Israel. It was estimated in November 2015 that only 18 Jews remain in Syria.[8] In September 2016, the last Jews of Aleppo were rescued, ending the Jewish presence in Aleppo.[8] In August 2019, BBC Arabic visited some of the last remaining Jews living in Damascus.[9]
QuoteMoroccan Jews are Jews who live in or are from Morocco. Moroccan Jews constitute an ancient community dating to Roman times. Jews began immigrating to the region as early as 70 CE. They were later met by a second wave of migrants from the Iberian peninsula in the period which immediately preceded and followed the issuing of the 1492 Alhambra Decree, when Jews were expelled from Spain, and soon afterward, from Portugal. This second wave of immigrants changed Moroccan Jewry, which largely embraced the Andalusian Sephardic liturgy, to switch to a mostly Sephardic identity.
The immigration of Moroccan Jews to Israel has occurred throughout the centuries of Jewish history. Moroccan Jews built the first self-made neighborhood outside the walls of Jerusalem (Mahane Israel) in 1867,[15] as well as the first modern neighborhoods in Tel Aviv, Haifa and Tiberias.[16]
At its peak in the 1950s, Morocco's Jewish population was about 250,000-350,000,[17] but due to the migration of Moroccan Jews to Israel and other nations, including Operation Yachin from 1961 to 1964, this number has been reduced to approximately 5,000. The vast majority of Moroccan Jews now live in Israel, where they constitute the second-largest Jewish community, approximately half a million.
QuoteThe history of the Jews in Tunisia extended nearly two thousand years and goes back to the Punic era. The Jewish community in Tunisia is no doubt older and grew up following successive waves of immigration and proselytism before its development was hampered by anti-Jewish measures in the Byzantine Empire. The community formerly used its own dialect of Arabic. After the Muslim conquest of Tunisia, Tunisian Judaism went through periods of relative freedom or even cultural apogee to times of more marked discrimination. The arrival of Jews expelled from the Iberian peninsula, often through Livorno, greatly altered the country. Its economic, social and cultural situation has improved markedly with the advent of the French protectorate before being compromised during the Second World War, with the occupation of the country by the Axis.[1] The creation of Israel in 1948 provoked a widespread anti-Zionist reaction in the Arab world, to which was added nationalist agitation, nationalization of enterprises, Arabization of education and part of the administration. Jews left Tunisia en masse from the 1950s onwards because of the problems raised and the hostile climate created by the Bizerte crisis in 1961 and the Six-Day War in 1967.[2] The Jewish population of Tunisia, estimated at about 105,000 individuals in 1948, numbered around 1,000 individuals as of 2019.[3][4][5] These Jews lived mainly in Tunis, with communities present in Djerba.
The Jewish diaspora of Tunisia[6] is divided between Israel and France
QuoteThe history of Jews in Jordan can be traced back to Biblical times. Presently, there are no legal restrictions on Jews in Jordan, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country, but in 2006 there were reported to be no Jewish citizens of Jordan, nor any synagogues or other Jewish institutions.
According to the Hebrew Bible, three of the ancient Israelite tribes were allocated lands on the east side of the Jordan River valley, in the territory of present-day Jordan. They were the tribes of Reuben, Gad and Manasseh.[2] These tribes were members of the Northern Kingdom of Israel until the kingdom was conquered by Assyria in c. 723 BCE and the population deported.
A nation related to the Israelites, the Edomites (Idumaeans) resided in present-day southern Jordan, between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba.
The Hasmonean official Antipater the Idumaean was of Idumean origin. He was the progenitor of the Herodian dynasty that ruled Judea after the Roman conquest. When Herod the Great became king, Idumaea was ruled for him by a series of governors, among whom were his brother Joseph Antipater and his brother-in-law Costobarus.
Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem by Titus, 20,000 Idumaeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, appeared before Jerusalem to fight on behalf of the zealots who were besieged in the Second Temple.[3]
After the Jewish-Roman wars, the Idumaean people ceased to be mentioned in history.
Roman rule in the region began in 63 BCE, when the general Pompey declared Judea a Roman protectorate. Over the years, Roman power over the Judean kingdom increased. Among the voices of opposition were John the Baptist, whose severed head was allegedly presented at the fortress of Machaerus to Herod. In 66 CE, the forces behind the First Jewish Revolt took control of Machaerus, Beth-nimrah, and Livias. The rebels held Machaerus until 72 CE, when a siege secured the defeat of local Jewish forces.
At the end of the Bar Kochba revolt of 132-135 CE and the destruction of Judea, the Romans joined the province of Judea (which already included Samaria) to Galilee to form a new province, which they called Syria Palaestina.[4] Following the Roman conquest, the lands on both sides of the Jordan River with its Jewish inhabitants came under the control and decrees of subsequent Roman emperors and Arab caliphates.
sto vise citas sve vise dolazis do zakljucka da je tu neko drugi bio etnicki ciscen, zar ne? kao da se taj porast od 10% na 90% moze dovesti u vezu s proterivanjem Jevreja iz svih ostalih zemalja tu u okolini, pa kud ce, sta ce, njima jedino preosta o Izrael.
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1 hour ago, sreta-steta said:
Covek napise ovo i ostane ziv... poznato je da gde god su kolonizatori dolazili, lokalno zivlje je jednostavno procvetalo. Eno pitajmo Asteke, a i Indijana u USA se zove tako zbog lokalaca koji tamo zive.
Koje to istorijske cinjenice Izrael ima na svojoj strani? Da ne pocinju sa sveta srpska, ovaj jevrejska zemlja?
ma nikakve...
Jesus (c. 6 to 4 BC – AD 30 or 33), also referred to as Jesus Christ,[e] Jesus of Nazareth, and many other names and titles, was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader. He is the central figure of Christianity, the world's largest religion.
Born: c. 6 to 4 BC, Herodian kingdom, Roman Empire
Died: AD 29 or 33 (aged 33–38) Jerusalem, Judaea, Roman Empire
Cause of death: Crucifixion
Known for: Central figure of Christianity, Penultimate Prophet in Islam
Parents: Mary, Joseph
Moses is considered the most important prophet in Judaism and one of the most important prophets in Christianity, Islam, the Druze faith, the Baháʼí Faith, and other Abrahamic religions. According to both the Bible and the Quran, Moses was the leader of the Israelites and lawgiver to whom the authorship, or "acquisition from heaven", of the Torah (the first five books of the Bible) is attributed.
Born: Goshen, Lower Egypt, Ancient Egypt
Died: Mount Nebo, Moab, Transjordan
Religion: see Abrahamic religions section
Nationality: Egyptian, Israelite
Spouse: Zipporah/Cushite woman
Children: Gershom, Eliezer
Parents: Amram (father), Jochebed (mother), Pharaoh's daughter (adoptive mother)
Known for: Prophet, Delivering the Ten Commandments to the Israelites
Relatives: Levi (great-grandfather), Aaron (brother), Miriam (sister)
Judea, Galilee and neighboring areas at the time of Jesus
The Gospels say that Jesus was betrayed to the authorities by a disciple, and many scholars consider this report to be highly reliable. He was executed on the orders of Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect of Judaea.
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Karlosu trenutno predstavljaju problem igraci koji igraju brzo i snazno i blizu linija, koji ne cekaju u defanzivi, igraju brzo, ne daju mu vremena, pozuruju ga, a to je igra za indoors. Naravno, Medvedev je posebna prica, ali on je i generalno posena prica. No, Karlos je na travi pokazao da je sposoban vrlo brzo da uci, videcemo da li ce biti vremena za tako nesto ove indoor sezone.
Mene zanima sta ce Medvedev da uradi do kraja sezone. Igra sledece sedmice Bec, kao i Siner (bar se jos nije povukao).
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Bliski Istok
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ok, pobrkala sam onda s nekim drugim. svejedno, ostatak stoji.